King Crimson on Spotify from 10th of June

Icarium wrote: ITS OFFICIAL NOW KING CRIMSON IS ON SPOTIFY!!!

ITS OFFICIAL NOW KING CRIMSON IS ON SPOTIFY!!!

moshkito wrote: chopper wrote: ... And it's not "weird" to listen to a track and not the whole album. Let's say for example I really like CTTE (the track) and Siberian Khatru but I don't like And You and I - do I sit through the whole album and spend 10 minutes listening to a song I don't like just because it's a whole album, or do I just skip it?   I'm inclined to believe that you are taking this to a point that is not what I meant. You, and I and everyone else, are always glad to listen to one/any cut, and my only point was TO ADD TO THAT ... even if it did not seem like it. Nowadays, we only listen to "one thing" (so to speak) and it is easy to make an assumption that nothing else is heard ... but if you go back 50 years, and I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU CAN'T DO THAT ... nothing personal in that at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ....in those days you many times got the album, and no one else KNEW ANYTHING about the rest of the album anyway, so you listened ... yes, I prefer CTTE than the rest of the album, but I also heard the other two and found they were supper nice, and that one piece was not better than the other ... the whole album was truly magnificent! And that is my only important point ... if you go to that album for one song, your perception of the rest of the album gets twisted some ... and look ... read what many folks here are writing ... they don't know the rest of the album many times, and don't like it because it isn't as proggy as the other cut, or this and that ... and that is my point ... it diminishes the incredible quality and amazing music in that album, that is not a part of "Easy Money" ... which most folks like because of John Wetton, not because of KC, many years later, but in those days, we did not think of it in those terms! Please take stock in some of the things I am saying ... I'm trying to ELEVATE all this music, not just one song, and the only thing you folks can come back with is a reason to listen to one song, not the album, because the rest of the album is not as good as the song you like!  It's coming ... you wait ... pretty soon, many of these folks will go around that only the 3rd song in Mahler's 5th Symphony is any good and the rest is just filler!  All you are seeing, then, is the lack of ability to listen to a composition, of which "Easy Money" could be a part.  Is all you can do to make a comment on me putting down one song? I did not put down any song ... I tried to elevate the listening to a different level, and a couple of you ignored that totally! Are you "in" for the music, all the music!, or just one song? How "progressive" are you?

I'm old(ish)so cds for me.

chopper wrote: moshkito wrote: chopper wrote: [QUOTE=moshkito]I do not listen to "trax" ... I go for the whole album, and this is the major issue I have with the poster above ... I am not too sure that he can listen to a single album in its entirety! This is a bit of an assumption! I use Spotify and there are times when I might want to listen to "Easy Money" (for example) but not the whole album that it comes from. I appreciate albums but sometimes it's nice to listen to a playlist to get a variety of different tracks/artists. It's not quite a "presumption".  Are you progressive, or is that just another word for going to the bathroom?

Edited by chopper - May 24 2019 at 05:11

moshkito wrote: chopper wrote: moshkito wrote: I do not listen to "trax" ... I go for the whole album, and this is the major issue I have with the poster above ... I am not too sure that he can listen to a single album in its entirety! This is a bit of an assumption! I use Spotify and there are times when I might want to listen to "Easy Money" (for example) but not the whole album that it comes from. I appreciate albums but sometimes it's nice to listen to a playlist to get a variety of different tracks/artists. It's not quite a "presumption".  I do not listen to the 3rd symphony by Mahler or Beethoven, and then go out and claim that I know they are progressive or this and that ... the WHOLE ALBUM IS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR VERSION OF THE KC BAND .... not just one song, despite you wanting to just hear that. In the end, we're back to not giving a damn about the "composers" and the "true musicians" in the business ... we like one song, and sheep dip on the rest ....  KC is great for its complete catalog ... not one song, even if I only want to hear "Epitaph". They are, and deserve that description, some of the best and "purest" composers in rock music, and we got them in our lifetimes! A lot of people never saw a Maria Callas, a Nureyev with Fonteyn, a Misha, a Pavarotti ... a Bernstein ... and all most folks here know is a few rock bands ... that they think are the ___________ (whatever), and they are not willing to look at it in a larger/wider perspective. "Easy Money" is not a better composition than anything in the first album or vice versa ... it is all a part of one of the greatest groups in rock music! I only wish that we would define "progressive" for what it really is ... instead of it being represented by one song and the rest of the band is crap ... which is about one quarter of the material listed and discussed here! Thinking of listening to KC for one song, is sad ... and a terrible feeling for a bunch of people that took such an incredible amount of time and dedication to putting together material that is so well done, and perfect in so many ways ... but to many here ... it's just another song! GET THE ALBUM .... forget the song. There is other excellent material in that album ... that no one here will ever discuss or appreciate ... how sad ... it's like saying the 9th is sh*t ... except for the added on chorale in the end!  All many folks are saying is that they never listened to the rest of it! They were too stuck on a "song" .... and you, here on PA ... are not doing a whole lot to help "Progressive Music" when all you are doing is treating it just like another song.  Progressive Music, for the last 50 years, has not been about a song ... look at the top 5 or 10 ... it's a whole album ... but no ... you're after a "song". Weird ... I won't "blame" you, as the market is the problem ... but then, I could easily say that you have not been paying attention for 50 years ... our love for this started because the folks that did it were wanting to do something different, and new, and not a top ten song ... and here you are ... looking for a song. How progressive is that? Sorry that I am so conceptual ... but it's been 50 years, and I'm kinda tired of teeny boppers that have grown up and are still chewing bubble gum and cigarettes, thinking they are smarter and bolder and older and all that! The VALUE of the music and the albums ... is very important to me ... it's like saying MOBY DICK is a horrible novel ... except for 5 pages! Or any other work of art! We need to better our appreciation and help the young ones understand ... what it is about this that makes it special ... look, dude ... it was not a "hit" or a "song" ... it was an album! KC's first made noise with a bombastic opener, but it was also hymn about the senseless couple of wars at the time, that added the value of "Epitaph", and even things like "I Talk To The Wind" ... which was about the time and place ... people saying good and great things, and the populace and the media making fun of it, and saying that it was cheap philosophy ... and back to the commerciality of it all we went ... and we continue to do that ... ! Are you progressive, or is that just another word for going to the bathroom?

Did you never make compilation tapes of different artists when you were young?

Mixing it up, and cherry picking songs from different artists/albums is not a new thing, and it's not a crime against art, and to suggest it is, is really quite pompous.

Listening to a whole album can obviously be a great experience, and any artist worth their salt, thinks carefully about the impact of the whole package on the listener, and the juxtaposition of the songs etc. An album is a package representing the artist as they were at the time, as writers and musicians.

However, there are times when you don't have 43 minutes to listen to the whole of DSOTM, but you DO have 3.5 minutes to listen to Time, and maybe that's the song you want to hear, because you happen to be in an appropriate state of mind to enjoy that song. Maybe, listening to the bouncy 7/4 bitterness of Money doesn't appeal to you at the time, so you select.

It's not complex, and it's not a big deal.

nothing wrong with going with what you like while still respecting or appreciating the overall work of an artist IMO.  In fact, I am very much looking forward to liistening to non crackly versions of "Cadence and Cascade", "In the Wake of Poseidon", "Cirkus", "Prince Rupert Awakes", "Islands", "The Night Watch", and "Exiles", because for me that's the post ITCOCK KC that I enjoy.  Life's too short for the stuff I don't.

moshkito wrote: I do not listen to "trax" ... I go for the whole album, and this is the major issue I have with the poster above ... I am not too sure that he can listen to a single album in its entirety!

This is a bit of an assumption! I use Spotify and there are times when I might want to listen to "Easy Money" (for example) but not the whole album that it comes from. I appreciate albums but sometimes it's nice to listen to a playlist to get a variety of different tracks/artists.

^ well said that is sort of what i meant but im not so well refined in my writing.