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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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And it's not "weird" to listen to a track and not the whole album. Let's say for example I really like CTTE (the track) and Siberian Khatru but I don't like And You and I - do I sit through the whole album and spend 10 minutes listening to a song I don't like just because it's a whole album, or do I just skip it?

 



I'm inclined to believe that you are taking this to a point that is not what I meant. You, and I and everyone else, are always glad to listen to one/any cut, and my only point was TO ADD TO THAT ... even if it did not seem like it.

Nowadays, we only listen to "one thing" (so to speak) and it is easy to make an assumption that nothing else is heard ... but if you go back 50 years, and I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU CAN'T DO THAT ... nothing personal in that at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ....in those days you many times got the album, and no one else KNEW ANYTHING about the rest of the album anyway, so you listened ... yes, I prefer CTTE than the rest of the album, but I also heard the other two and found they were supper nice, and that one piece was not better than the other ... the whole album was truly magnificent!

And that is my only important point ... if you go to that album for one song, your perception of the rest of the album gets twisted some ... and look ... read what many folks here are writing ... they don't know the rest of the album many times, and don't like it because it isn't as proggy as the other cut, or this and that ... and that is my point ... it diminishes the incredible quality and amazing music in that album, that is not a part of "Easy Money" ... which most folks like because of John Wetton, not because of KC, many years later, but in those days, we did not think of it in those terms!

Please take stock in some of the things I am saying ... I'm trying to ELEVATE all this music, not just one song, and the only thing you folks can come back with is a reason to listen to one song, not the album, because the rest of the album is not as good as the song you like! 

It's coming ... you wait ... pretty soon, many of these folks will go around that only the 3rd song in Mahler's 5th Symphony is any good and the rest is just filler!  All you are seeing, then, is the lack of ability to listen to a composition, of which "Easy Money" could be a part. 

Is all you can do to make a comment on me putting down one song? I did not put down any song ... I tried to elevate the listening to a different level, and a couple of you ignored that totally!

Are you "in" for the music, all the music!, or just one song? How "progressive" are you? 


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

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And it's not "weird" to listen to a track and not the whole album. Let's say for example I really like CTTE (the track) and Siberian Khatru but I don't like And You and I - do I sit through the whole album and spend 10 minutes listening to a song I don't like just because it's a whole album, or do I just skip it?
 

I'm inclined to believe that you are taking this to a point that is not what I meant. You, and I and everyone else, are always glad to listen to one/any cut, and my only point was TO ADD TO THAT ... even if it did not seem like it.

Nowadays, we only listen to "one thing" (so to speak) and it is easy to make an assumption that nothing else is heard ... but if you go back 50 years, and I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU CAN'T DO THAT ... nothing personal in that at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ....in those days you many times got the album, and no one else KNEW ANYTHING about the rest of the album anyway, so you listened ... yes, I prefer CTTE than the rest of the album, but I also heard the other two and found they were supper nice, and that one piece was not better than the other ... the whole album was truly magnificent!

And that is my only important point ... if you go to that album for one song, your perception of the rest of the album gets twisted some ... and look ... read what many folks here are writing ... they don't know the rest of the album many times, and don't like it because it isn't as proggy as the other cut, or this and that ... and that is my point ... it diminishes the incredible quality and amazing music in that album, that is not a part of "Easy Money" ... which most folks like because of John Wetton, not because of KC, many years later, but in those days, we did not think of it in those terms!

Please take stock in some of the things I am saying ... I'm trying to ELEVATE all this music, not just one song, and the only thing you folks can come back with is a reason to listen to one song, not the album, because the rest of the album is not as good as the song you like! 

It's coming ... you wait ... pretty soon, many of these folks will go around that only the 3rd song in Mahler's 5th Symphony is any good and the rest is just filler!  All you are seeing, then, is the lack of ability to listen to a composition, of which "Easy Money" could be a part. 

Is all you can do to make a comment on me putting down one song? I did not put down any song ... I tried to elevate the listening to a different level, and a couple of you ignored that totally!

Are you "in" for the music, all the music!, or just one song? How "progressive" are you? 
All I will say is that I may have understood your point but if I did, it's because your posts are long and fairly impenetrable, and certain points come across as condescending whether intentional or not. 
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not "weird" or damaging to prog to listen to one song from an album, as you seem to be suggesting.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

...All I will say is that I may have understood your point but if I did, it's because your posts are long and fairly impenetrable, and certain points come across as condescending whether intentional or not. 
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not "weird" or damaging to prog to listen to one song from an album, as you seem to be suggesting.

I'm not too sure about that ... too many questions and comments are about a song ... not an album.

Even KC's first is a problem ... and no one is willing/capable of discussing it with its quiet socio/political commentary done with poetry ... something that RF, probably thought that he wanted to tone it down to mere poetry and stories to prevent people from discussing politics and this and that.

KC's first is the biggest, best, and most important SCREENSHOT, of the place, time, and what was going on, from all the different things, which even the Beatles talked about and made sure they let everyone know they did not care what we thought, and neither would they comment on it, other than simply write a song about something else. KC's album takes on Idi Amin, the "hippie ideal" movement, the (supposed) mystical and spiritual, and ended with an incredible epitaph to many folks that lost their lives in senseless wars and extermination, that is still alive  and well today, and everyone hides behind their "prog" definition instead, being about some superfluous and stupid childish story, or fantasy!

My biggest concern, is for someone to ask about a song, completely out of context from the album ... and Easy Money fits the bill, although in Santa Barbara at the time, no one played the album, only my roomate would show off several things from it on his weekend shows ... you even got to hear John Wetton in at least 4 bands, and we are talking 1974/1975 ... not today.

The "history" of it has been killed, because it is a "song" ... and that makes an album stupid and worthless. The discussion ends up about the meaning of Godot and Nothing ... except of something of value that the album obviously has ... but no one can figure it out, because the lyrics don't spell it out for you in 3rd grade style that Jane had a gun!

Today, the media does its best to ensure that you are confused about a party and its politics, so that you and all others and I do not have any idea of how we feel, and what the situation is really about ... and this is the worst scenario possible ... it allows a government to do anything they want, because we don't know any better, and worse ... we really don't care!

The song is more important than the band/composer!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2019 at 14:58
ITS OFFICIAL NOW KING CRIMSON IS ON SPOTIFY!!!
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and also on Amazon as well if you have the 'Unlimited Streaming' subscription.
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

ITS OFFICIAL NOW KING CRIMSON IS ON SPOTIFY!!!

I'm wondering if the streaming side of it, helps ease up the burden of the volume in DGM/RF's website and this this need. I'm not sure that RF or anyone in KC will ever get a decent check for all this stuff played and heard ... specially when so much of it will be only heard halfway and dropped for something else ... what do you do? Split the nickel?
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the artist has to be paid somehow otherwise music will cease to be (unless music played by robots becomes a thing)

CD sales are falling and the trend is towards streaming. Perhaps it will make bands do more live gigs. The ticket price for King Crimson was certainly not cheap when I saw then but it was totally worth it and I would pay it again in a heartbeat.
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