Whichalbums of the sixties should be inthe Top100? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Hello girls and boys,

there is something I have to say.

In this poll I have chosen albums classified as progressive released in the 1968 or 1969.

The 23 albums I selected I took them from the PA chart. I inserted all the 1968 albums in the PA chart, adding the Nice album, and the New Trolls album, then I took most of the albums that are at the top of the 1969 PA chart, adding someone who is not in the first places.

So they are not allowed - Proto-prog albums,

like the Beatles or the Who or the Doors or The Jimi Hendrix E. or the Jefferson Airplane albums

- Prog-related album.

If I had also considered proto-prog albums, I would certainly have placed Abbey Road, Tommy, Electric Ladyland and many more, but this ranking DOES NOT include proto-prog albums.

Edited by jamesbaldwin - January 10 2020 at 18:16

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Mortte wrote:

I just watched that top100 list. There are albums that don´t surprise me at all, but what really is surprising is that there is no Kraut album, not a single album even from Can! So is it so today´s proglisteners don´t know Kraut at all? Anyway there are 2 Magma albums. Also, I haven´t ever even heard about Wobbler: From Silence To Somewhere or Änglagård: Hybris, that are quite high on the list. Are those albums something, I really should listen?

Amon Duul II & CAN should certainly have at least one album in the top 100, Future Days & Yeti would probably get my vote.

Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

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Lewian wrote:

The problem with this is of course that it's easy to say XXX should be in without saying who should be out. Apart from having any number of albums in mind that are neither on your list nor in the top 100 but I'd like to see there. Does "adding six albums to the top 100" mean that it's then top 106? Are we meant to assume our personal top 100 as a reference (in which case none of these would make it, but also only about 5 that are currently in the top 100) or some weird compromise between personal taste and "generally appreciated albums" meant to represent prog? The thing is that for all its weaknesses the current top 100 at least has a properly defined formal basis, like it or not. If we're voting on changing it, the basis has to be different and it's not clear what it should be then.

About the music: Ummagumma and Soft Machine II out of these come closest in my opinion; Ummagumma could well be in it if I'd have to compile a personal/general lame compromise prog top 100, maybe even SMII, but I'm not sure. Am tempted to vote "none" just because I find that the current system makes more sense than decision by poll voting...

PS: Have voted for Ummagumma, SMII and None. Tongue

PPS: From the 60s Monster Movie is about at the level of Ummagumma and SMII. Revolver is actually better but probably wouldn't qualify.

PPPS: I may sound very critical but actually I like polls that make me reflect on such things, so don't take it as all negative.

1) I agree that it would be better to say what to remove, when you want to add, but in this case it is a question of inserting a maximum of 3 albums in the top 100 list, where I believe each of us would have no problem finding three to remove.

2) The question is: in your opinion, which albums published in the sixties should be in the top 100 of PA? We are talking about a ranking.

3) I can't distinguish between my tastes and the charts. If I have to rank the best progressive albums, I rely on what I think are the most beautiful. There may be historically important, significant albums, which, however, I consider not very beautiful, and so in my opinion the distinction, if anything, should be between

- important, historically significant albums, which represent the prog

and

- the most beautiful albums of progressive: in this case, you only choose in based on beauty, without looking at whether an album is famous, appreciated in general or not, it could be a semi-unknown album but that you consider among the most beautiful and then you put it in the charts.

I always use this second criterion, the criterion of beauty, which is obviously a subjective beauty, but I would not say that what I consider most beautiful are my favorites.

The PA ranking is formulated in an ambiguous way, in my opinion, because it brings together the historical importance of an album with its beauty.

So, do not look at what is universally appreciated, look at what you think is most beautiful, and if for you no album from 1968 or 1969 is among the 100 most beautiful, it means that you would not add any, indeed, that you would also remove the three already present.

"Happiness is real only when shared"

^It was allowed, I think even recommended to vote many times. I voted almost every album.

I think it´s bit a problem proto-prog is not allowed. Prog term didn´t even exist in the sixties, so didn´t rio/avant, so all the albums in that thread´s list are less or more protoprog.

Also, I go still little into that top100, it´s very interesting there are only first Emerson, Lake & Palmer. I am not a big fan of theirs, but at least here in forum I have seen many that are. Also, when those albums (I think quite unknown) are on high on the list, there are missing prog masterpieces like Oldfield Tubular Bells, Floyd´s Atom Heart & the Wall, without talking about many sixties masterpieces. And not a single Hawkwind album on the list. Interesting is also that Wobbler has only 600 ratings, when others in the near places have over 1000, many of them over 2000 (three highest over 4000). What I can think about that is that collaborators reviews seem to be the highest value in that list. Also, there are 1967-75 top50 list, where are same albums from those years, that are also in top100 list, that I don´t see any sense.

Edited by Mortte - January 10 2020 at 23:01

I think it´s the people who set the algorithms. Or how do you explain why album that got 600 ratings goes over 52 albums that have over 1000 ratings (many of them over 2000).

Btw, High Tide was a band not an album.

Proto-prog list would be also great!

Mortte wrote:

I think it´s the people who set the algorithms. Or how do you explain why album that got 600 ratings goes over 52 albums that have over 1000 ratings (many of them over 2000).

Because it's average rating is higher? You want a 3 star album with 2,000 ratings higher that a 4 star album with 1,000?

Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/

Of the ones I've heard from this list Ummagumma is the only one that qualifies. Another I might put in is The Collectors' debut album. Revolver and Sgt. Pepper might be interesting options as well.

From the list:

Moody Blues - In Search of...

Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of...

Colosseum - Valentyne's Suite

Jethro Tull - Stand Up

Family - Entertainment

Amon Dull II - Phallus Dei

Not in list:

Renaissance - S/T

Edited by frankbostick - January 11 2020 at 11:29

Poll Question: Chose one, two or three answer
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Family: Music From a Doll's House	3	[1.75%]
F. Zappa: We're Only In It For The Money	6	[3.51%]
Soft Machine: 1	1	[0.58%]
Procol Harum: Shine On Brightly	12	[7.02%]
Moody Blues: In Search of The Lost Chord	17	[9.94%]
Pink Floyd: A Saucerful of Secrets	13	[7.60%]
Caravan: Caravan	10	[5.85%]
New Trolls: Senza Orario, Senza Bandiera	0	[0.00%]
Colosseum: Those Who Are About To Die...	1	[0.58%]
Colosseum: Valentyne's Suite	10	[5.85%]
Jethro Tull: Stand Up	20	[11.70%]
Family: Entertainment	3	[1.75%]
F. Zappa: Uncle Meat	6	[3.51%]
Soft Machine: II	3	[1.75%]
Moody Blues: To Our Children....	12	[7.02%]
Amon Dull II: Phallus Dei	4	[2.34%]
Chicago: the Chicago Transit Authority	9	[5.26%]
Procol Harum: Salty Dog	4	[2.34%]
Pink Floyd: Ummagumma	14	[8.19%]
Sea Shanties: High Tide	1	[0.58%]
Captain Beefheart: Trout Mask Replica	5	[2.92%]
Nice: Ars Longa Vita Brevis	5	[2.92%]
Le Orme: Ad Gloriam	1	[0.58%]
Other	7	[4.09%]
None	4	[2.34%]
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