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Well, I've done the easy bit (i.e. fixed the spelling of Emerson - apologies to Keith and anyone else I might have offended). Regarding the other comments, I'm not really sure exactly what to do. I've added Days of Future Past in early on, as it preceded most of the other things I've talked about, and made some other minor tweaks - not sure if I've made it better or worse - hopefully better?!

Regarding the music of different countries, I live in Australia, where aside from having a little home grown music of our own, we have generally been flooded with music from the US and the UK in equal measure, so that from my perspective they are all merged in together and I don't make much distinction between the two. If that is reflected in what I've written, I apologise, but not having lived in either place means that I no doubt miss the local nuances.

If anyone would like to make specific suggestions for addressing this, please do (but they kind of need to be specific or they may go right over my head, not having the local knowledge).

Thanks again, everyone!

If you want to look at my revisions, here's the link again:
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Originally posted by johncologon johncologon wrote:

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If anyone would like to make specific suggestions for addressing this, please do (but they kind of need to be specific or they may go right over my head, not having the local knowledge).

Thanks again, everyone!

If you want to look at my revisions, here's the link again:


You need top watch the TOM DOWD special for its historical effect in America ... it will give you a very important view of America and its musical development and then you can put Bob Dylan in the story with his electricity. That will define America, more or less, since there is no "classical music" to speak of here as most music has been the pop thing, or the movie thing ... based on the "star" thing.

Europe, and England, are far more different ... and closer to a lot of Classical Music, and its "progressive" thing was, in essence, started by kids/youngsters that were classically minded ... and the influence is clear and obvious, even with The Nice and Moody Blues ... but instead it has become "oblivious"! Next we are going to hear that GMartin was not an influence ... where did he come from? Classical Music!

Without a good understanding of the history of the processes, getting a correct, and proper feel for what we love in music, the "progressive rock" of the old days, our understanding of it all will be nothing but kids chewing bubble gum and smoking their cigarettes to prove they are adults!

Another great example ... Italy was almost exclusively classical and symphonic, and you could easily say, that it was a continuation of their musical history ... now played by kids with electrical instruments! And the big "trio" is only in effect as a side bit to add flavor, and more or less say ... I can do that, too!

It was very similar in Spain and France. Germany has a very different story to tell and the first "krautrock" special from the BBC series has it all in the words of Edgar Froese. If you HEAR that, and think on it for a bit, all the comments, from the CAN grouping and others about them not wanting a westernized form of music, all of a sudden explains their works in a lot of the arts, not only music, but film, theater and other arts!

The problem being, of course, that "progressive music" in most websites, completely ignore the arts that they came from and they think that Peter Gabriel invented wine! When it was a historical tradition in Europe for many many many years ... and PG's version was cheap, albeit very English!


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Originally posted by johncologon johncologon wrote:

Well, I've done the easy bit (i.e. fixed the spelling of Emerson - apologies to Keith and anyone else I might have offended). Regarding the other comments, I'm not really sure exactly what to do. I've added Days of Future Past in early on, as it preceded most of the other things I've talked about, and made some other minor tweaks - not sure if I've made it better or worse - hopefully better?!

Regarding the music of different countries, I live in Australia, where aside from having a little home grown music of our own, we have generally been flooded with music from the US and the UK in equal measure, so that from my perspective they are all merged in together and I don't make much distinction between the two. If that is reflected in what I've written, I apologise, but not having lived in either place means that I no doubt miss the local nuances.

If anyone would like to make specific suggestions for addressing this, please do (but they kind of need to be specific or they may go right over my head, not having the local knowledge).

Thanks again, everyone!

If you want to look at my revisions, here's the link again:

 

this is fine for me although the white on black style really hurts my eyes!
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Originally posted by johncologon johncologon wrote:

Well, I've done the easy bit (i.e. fixed the spelling of Emerson - apologies to Keith and anyone else I might have offended). Regarding the other comments, I'm not really sure exactly what to do. I've added Days of Future Past in early on, as it preceded most of the other things I've talked about, and made some other minor tweaks - not sure if I've made it better or worse - hopefully better?!

Regarding the music of different countries, I live in Australia, where aside from having a little home grown music of our own, we have generally been flooded with music from the US and the UK in equal measure, so that from my perspective they are all merged in together and I don't make much distinction between the two. If that is reflected in what I've written, I apologise, but not having lived in either place means that I no doubt miss the local nuances.

If anyone would like to make specific suggestions for addressing this, please do (but they kind of need to be specific or they may go right over my head, not having the local knowledge).

Thanks again, everyone!

If you want to look at my revisions, here's the link again:



All in all, a very pithy and apt summation of a phenomenon that cannot be easily condensed down into just a few short paragraphs. Kudos to you John
The only point I might take issue with is that the lyrics of Prog became the poetry of the 70's*. Sadly, the lyrics in the vast majority of the genre are gauche hippy f*ckwittery that disintegrates under even the flimsiest of scrutiny.

* (Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Scott Walker, Loudon Wainwight III, David Bowie, John Cale, Randy Newman, Ray Davies (the list goes on)
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Personally, I've always described prog rock as "Greasy machinery sliding on rails; young minds and bodies on steel spokes IMPALED!!!" CoolWink

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Personally, I've always described prog rock as "Greasy machinery sliding on rails; young minds and bodies on steel spokes IMPALED!!!" CoolWink


Yes, that's a good description, I concur.
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Seriously, the description in the OP is fine. It's great that you sought the perspectives of others, and of course some were bound to take issue with some of what you had put but it's been that way since the birth of progressive rock. Trying to apply a definition, is a circular and thankless pursuit. Some will inevitably over intellectualise the process, losing sight of the fact that at the end of the day it's just sophisticated rock music, designed for entertainment.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Personally, I've always described prog rock as "Greasy machinery sliding on rails; young minds and bodies on steel spokes IMPALED!!!" CoolWink
 
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