When your fav neo band stopped being neo. |
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Blacksword
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I agree. I never regarded PT as neo prog. The really early stuff seemed to have more in common with the trippy ambient electronica of the early 90's. Not sure how I would classify albums like Signify (which is actually my second favourite PT album after In Absentia) |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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LAM-SGC
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Ah right. No worries. I've never seen Matrix. |
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LAM-SGC
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Wow! As a big metal fan, I listen - obviously - to lots of metal of all tyoes, and there is no metal at all in Double Vision. Hard rock yes, but no metal. But no harder than anything played by Marillion or Pink Floyd. But I suppose, if you are usually listening to softer types of prog and fusion, then you might misconstrue that type of hard rock as metal, if you aren't used to hearing metal.
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chopper
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Yes, you should check it out very soon! It's a slight change of style again, a bit lighter and more pastoral in feel than the 3 previous releases.
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LAM-SGC
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Neo was most definitely a style in its own right. The Neo bands in the 80s shared lots of elements, and musically had far more in common with each other than say, Yes did with Jethro Tull or Mike Oldfield with ELP.
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verslibre
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Pretty much what Martin Orford says. To me, it's just a label for "band that openly celebrates its love for Lamb/Trick-era Genesis and gives no fooks." As Richard says, symph sans the fantasy and science fiction themes.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Neo-Prog (or new prog) has always been a chronological definition for me, meaning most post-1970's prog bands. That's why I still consider Porcupine Tree to be a Neo-Prog band, even though I know most PA members here disagree with me on that point.
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LAM-SGC
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Exactly, the very early stuff was an in-joke with SW and his mates, and a couple of tracks appeared on pysch compilations alongside old and new psych bands. And was very popular with the festival, ambient, chill outl mob. |
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LAM-SGC
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Okaaaay..... |
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Psychedelic Paul
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It made things a lot simpler just to have two prog sub-genres - Classic Prog and Neo-Prog - when I ran my own music site. They were just two sub-genres we had out of a total of 200 sub-genres. Obviously, that didn't include Rap/Hip-Hop, as that's not technically classed as music.
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verslibre
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Where did you put Synergy, Paul?
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tamijo_II
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+1 A few logical "sup genres" needed to describe and separate what prog was and is, Neo is not one of them.
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M27Barney
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Perhaps we should have had. Genesis like Neo prog, Yes like neo prog, ELP like Neo prog, Crimson like neo prog, Tull like neo prog and mixture neo prog?
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M27Barney
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Thats a good way yo really get the full half hour for your arguments...
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richardh
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The Watch (for Genesis) Glass Hammer (for Yes) Cairo (for ELP) (not sure on Tull) without checking I'm pretty sure that only The Watch are classed as 'Neo'. The other two are Symphonic. It goes back to an understanding of Genesis music. Banks and Collins didn't like them being lumped with ELP and Yes (Collins has always made his disdain of those bands very obvious) . It's ironic therefore that the genre that is most 'despised' round here was inspired by arguably the most respected band! |
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LAM-SGC
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Most respected band??? Hhhmmm.
For me: 1. Jethro Tull 2. Mike Oldfield 3. Camel 4. Pink Floyd 5. Tangerine Dream |
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richardh
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^ you haven't been here long enough |
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LAM-SGC
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Totally irrelevant. |
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M27Barney
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Respect? Strange word to use I think? And by whom? In symphonic prog circles...KC/Floyd possibly get most kudos because I reckon their late 60's efforts had great influence on the better music that was to come....but hey, I give respect to any band or musician who says...fook you, if I want to bombastically noodle for half an hour and produce a lengthy tone poem, then I will...thats why I love the new IQ so much and the flower kings, lengthy in your face prog of seventies flavour with a twist of the modern mixed in... |
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richardh
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as is your list |
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