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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Porcupine Tree stopped being Neo-Prog for me with the release of their Progressive Metal "In Absentia" album in 2002, but I still like them. Smile


Porcupine Tree were never neo, they started as a one-man mushroom psych band, then a couple of Pink Floyd type albums, then he found the PT sound.


I agree. I never regarded PT as neo prog. The really early stuff seemed to have more in common with the trippy ambient electronica of the early 90's. Not sure how I would classify albums like Signify (which is actually my second favourite PT album after In Absentia)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LAM-SGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2020 at 04:40
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Was their a moment when neo really wasn't neo anymore?


I can't really remember, but I never saw the 2nd or 3rd instalments....


Eerrr, what?


Sorry, an attempt at humour, based around The Matrix...


I don't really get the whole "neo" label.  I don't see why IQ aren't "symphonic", because they are to my ears....

As someone else said, it was just about a new wave in the early-mid '80s!


Ah right. No worries. I've never seen Matrix.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LAM-SGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2020 at 04:45
Wow! As a big metal fan, I listen - obviously - to lots of metal of all tyoes, and there is no metal at all in Double Vision. Hard rock yes, but no metal. But no harder than anything played by Marillion or Pink Floyd. But I suppose, if you are usually listening to softer types of prog and fusion, then you might misconstrue that type of hard rock as metal, if you aren't used to hearing metal.

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Originally posted by Enchant X Enchant X wrote:

Pendragon went through a change I think from neo prog to something else a bit more heavy , but I haven't heard their latest album though I'm told it's very good I really must check it out soon . Smile
 
Yes, you should check it out very soon! It's a slight change of style again, a bit lighter and more pastoral in feel than the 3 previous releases.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LAM-SGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2020 at 05:36
Neo was most definitely a style in its own right. The Neo bands in the 80s shared lots of elements, and musically had far more in common with each other than say, Yes did with Jethro Tull or Mike Oldfield with ELP.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2020 at 14:07
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

There's not really such a style as neo-prog.
 

Pretty much what Martin Orford says.

To me, it's just a label for "band that openly celebrates its love for Lamb/Trick-era Genesis and gives no fooks."

As Richard says, symph sans the fantasy and science fiction themes.
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Neo-Prog (or new prog) has always been a chronological definition for me, meaning most post-1970's prog bands. That's why I still consider Porcupine Tree to be a Neo-Prog band, even though I know most PA members here disagree with me on that point. Smile
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Porcupine Tree stopped being Neo-Prog for me with the release of their Progressive Metal "In Absentia" album in 2002, but I still like them. Smile


Porcupine Tree were never neo, they started as a one-man mushroom psych band, then a couple of Pink Floyd type albums, then he found the PT sound.


I agree. I never regarded PT as neo prog. The really early stuff seemed to have more in common with the trippy ambient electronica of the early 90's. Not sure how I would classify albums like Signify (which is actually my second favourite PT album after In Absentia)


Exactly, the very early stuff was an in-joke with SW and his mates, and a couple of tracks appeared on pysch compilations alongside old and new psych bands. And was very popular with the festival, ambient, chill outl mob.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Neo-Prog (or new prog) has always been a chronological definition for me, meaning most post-1970's prog bands. That's why I still consider Porcupine Tree to be a Neo-Prog band, even though I know most PA members here disagree with me on that point. Smile


Okaaaay.....
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Neo-Prog (or new prog) has always been a chronological definition for me, meaning most post-1970's prog bands. That's why I still consider Porcupine Tree to be a Neo-Prog band, even though I know most PA members here disagree with me on that point. Smile


Okaaaay.....
 
It made things a lot simpler just to have two prog sub-genres - Classic Prog and Neo-Prog - when I ran my own music site. Smile
 
They were just two sub-genres we had out of a total of 200 sub-genres. Obviously, that didn't include Rap/Hip-Hop, as that's not technically classed as music. Wink


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2020 at 16:35
Where did you put Synergy, Paul?  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tamijo_II Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2020 at 22:40
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

There's not really such a style as separate neo-prog.

It's just a new wave of bands doing classic symphonic prog (and some of them doing it extremely well).

And some bands do evolve their styles - look at Strawbs, who went from bluegrass to prog folk to glam rock to symphonic to God knows what and back again.

+1

A few logical "sup genres" needed to describe and separate what prog was and is, Neo is not one of them.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2020 at 01:05
Perhaps we should have had. Genesis like Neo prog, Yes like neo prog, ELP like Neo prog, Crimson like neo prog, Tull like neo prog and mixture neo prog?
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Thats a good way yo really get the full half hour for your arguments...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Perhaps we should have had. Genesis like Neo prog, Yes like neo prog, ELP like Neo prog, Crimson like neo prog, Tull like neo prog and mixture neo prog?
 

The Watch (for Genesis)
Glass Hammer (for Yes)
Cairo (for ELP)
(not sure on Tull)

without checking I'm pretty sure that only The Watch are classed as 'Neo'. The other two are Symphonic. It goes back to an understanding of Genesis music. Banks and Collins didn't like them being lumped with ELP and Yes (Collins has always made his disdain of those bands very obvious) . It's ironic therefore that the genre that is most 'despised' round here was inspired by arguably the most respected band!

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Most respected band??? Hhhmmm.

For me:
1. Jethro Tull
2. Mike Oldfield
3. Camel
4. Pink Floyd
5. Tangerine Dream
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2020 at 17:03
^ you haven't been here long enough 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ you haven't been here long enough 
LOL


Totally irrelevant.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2020 at 01:06
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Most respected band??? Hhhmmm.

For me:
1. Jethro Tull
2. Mike Oldfield
3. Camel
4. Pink Floyd
5. Tangerine Dream

Respect? Strange word to use I think? And by whom? In symphonic prog circles...KC/Floyd possibly get most kudos because I reckon their late 60's efforts had great influence on the better music that was to come....but hey, I give respect to any band or musician who says...fook you, if I want to bombastically noodle for half an hour and produce a lengthy tone poem, then I will...thats why I love the new IQ so much and the flower kings, lengthy in your face prog of seventies flavour with a twist of the modern mixed in...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2020 at 01:16
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ you haven't been here long enough 
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Totally irrelevant.
 

as is your listWink






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