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Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

I would say: sometimes, but mostly not so much :P

One could say the same thing about Genesis. Ever listen to their last 5 or 6 albums? LOL
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

I would say: sometimes, but mostly not so much :P

One could say the same thing about Genesis. Ever listen to their last 5 or 6 albums? LOL

Oh, it's different :) Genesis were totaly prog, and then totaly not :) Pink Floyd were prog occasionaly, but mostly not totaly :)
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The problem is with genre being linked to the band entity amd not being linked to each specific track as would be the correct methodology to determine the true natural genre of each release...
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And it would make skipping sh*t tracks a lot easier...🖖
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Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

I would say: sometimes, but mostly not so much :P

One could say the same thing about Genesis. Ever listen to their last 5 or 6 albums? LOL

Oh, it's different :) Genesis were totaly prog, and then totaly not :) Pink Floyd were prog occasionaly, but mostly not totaly :)

Genesis was "totally" prog? For Absent Friends? Time Table? I know What I Like? More Fool Me? Half of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway? Follow You, Follow Me? Totally prog? Wink
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"Half of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" 

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Originally posted by Spacegod87 Spacegod87 wrote:

"Half of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" 

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Yep. Out of 23 songs on The Lamb, ten songs are 3 minutes or less, and another six are under 5 minutes. Very comparable to Floyd's The Wall in that regard. Short snippets tied together with filler music.

I am being facetious (for the most part), but it's nonsense when someone says Genesis is "all prog" and Floyd is only "partially prog", particularly when one of those bands gave up on prog entirely for 5 or 6 albums, and every other album they released had a couple standard rocks tunes and sappy ballads on them. It's a compartmentalization of an altered reality.
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^Depends on your definition of prog. Ravine doesn't sound like much. But having a track of just atmospherics on a double disc narrative concept album that provided time for PG to switch costumes for their live performances is pretty classic prog.
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^Depends on your definition of prog. Ravine doesn't sound like much. But having a track of just atmospherics on a double disc narrative concept album that provided time for PG to switch costumes for their live performances is pretty classic prog.

Stage musicals has been doing that for centuries for costume or scene changes. There is nothing "prog" about it -- in fact it is far more Broadway than prog. They even have words for it in several languages, like "intermezzo", "verwandlungsmusik", "entr'acte" or "incidental music", or for more specific play-within-play moments, divertimento or divertissement, or for quicker transitions "vamping", as in "vamp till cue".
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I voted yes because they are listed under 'psychedelic space rock' here which of course is one of the genres listed here at PA , but In the old days at college when we listened to their music in 69-75 no one of course thought about that.
So what is the most progressive LP or track they ever did  that cements their place in this genre?
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Coming up on a year for this thread..13 pages. 
I voted yes because they are listed under 'psychedelic space rock' here which of course is one of the genres listed here at PA , but In the old days at college when we listened to their music in 69-75 no one of course thought about that.
So what is the most progressive LP or track they ever did  that cements their place in this genre?
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Good question. For me Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother bridged the gap between psych and prog and maybe even More. Meddle was more space rock. Dark side is more art rock. WYWH and Animals are pure prog though and the wall is art rock. All imo of course. 
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ummm... no they are not...  calling them a prog band sells them short..

they were far more than a mere 'prog band'.  In a way very similar to Tull... they get lumped in with prog bands but really were in genres in themselves.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

ummm... no they are not...  calling them a prog band sells them short..

they were far more than a mere 'prog band'.  In a way very similar to Tull... they get lumped in with prog bands but really were in genres in themselves.
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Heart back at ya Stevie... I've never been one much to talk if I have nothing to say so I've sort of crawled under a rock, 2021 was supposed to be a better year and as we know.. it hasn't been.  I also lost my mother so I have crawled under a virtual rock, brought the Malazan series of books to keep me busy and got fat on mass quantities of beer and Raff's cooking .. and tried to make sense of everything. Tongue

well Magma got its own sub-genre... with its bunches of offshoots and imitators..  Floyd and Tull probably deserve the same.  Perhaps the 3 more unique groups in all rock...
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Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

In that famous interview, when asked if he considered Pink Floyd were progressive, Zappa answered 'sometimes'.  Floyd - absolutely no doubts - right from the get go up until 'Wish You Were Here'.

I watched a clip of Uncle Frank onstage with the Floyd and it was clear there was no rehearsal and that he was not that familiar with the music. They went into a tune, he stood for most of it doing nothing, then came up with a riff in the last half that he did not variate. The tune (I don't remember what it was) was not beyond Frank's ability, he just did not know it. This shows that what they were dong had a sophistication to it that was not easy to pick up on.



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thanks Steve it is long sad tragic story with that.. but I'll save that for a post pandemic beer with you hopefully someday..
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From the start Pink Floyd wanted to create an audio visual experience and progressed this to the logical conclusion (benefit of hindsight) of The Wall concert, film, album.

Perhaps one of the reasons Floyd get this little query is the blues influences, particularly DG and his guitar. Prog rock usually eschews the blues.

Why do I often read opinions like this one that seem to find the blues necessarily not progressive or less metal?  When Priest made Stained Class, it was filled with the blues! It just found some other great modes and moods to fit in as well so the music wasn't as purely derived from the blues as it had been on Sad Wings. There's also plenty of blues in ELP, who have lots of fun jazzy passages which rely heavily on the blues. The blues isn't something that hold music back from progression, it's just another element to use in your playing and writing. Pink Floyd are perhaps the greatest example of how versatile and progressive the blues can be, honestly.


I didn't say the blues was less progressive or not, merely saying what I'd read so often, that prog rock is usually fused with classical or jazz for fusion in the US. Fusing rock with art music rather than roots music is what causes discussions such as this one.

Me, I find much progression in the blues, including jazz blues. Joe Pass to Johnny Winter.

For blues versatility I might look toward Jeff Beck as his focus is more oriented toward progressing blues while the Floyd used it here and there as they were so busy with a lot of other things.

I probably leapt too harshly at that comment. However I would caution against splitting music into art and roots music and lumping in blues as roots music. The blues is as legitimate an art as anything else.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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^Depends on your definition of prog. Ravine doesn't sound like much. But having a track of just atmospherics on a double disc narrative concept album that provided time for PG to switch costumes for their live performances is pretty classic prog.

Stage musicals has been doing that for centuries for costume or scene changes. There is nothing "prog" about it -- in fact it is far more Broadway than prog. They even have words for it in several languages, like "intermezzo", "verwandlungsmusik", "entr'acte" or "incidental music", or for more specific play-within-play moments, divertimento or divertissement, or for quicker transitions "vamping", as in "vamp till cue".







And Classical and Jazz were already a thing for centuries and decades respectively. But ELP still drew from that well. It's doing those things in the context of rock that made them prog for the time.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

^Depends on your definition of prog. Ravine doesn't sound like much. But having a track of just atmospherics on a double disc narrative concept album that provided time for PG to switch costumes for their live performances is pretty classic prog.

Stage musicals has been doing that for centuries for costume or scene changes. There is nothing "prog" about it -- in fact it is far more Broadway than prog. They even have words for it in several languages, like "intermezzo", "verwandlungsmusik", "entr'acte" or "incidental music", or for more specific play-within-play moments, divertimento or divertissement, or for quicker transitions "vamping", as in "vamp till cue".

And Classical and Jazz were already a thing for centuries and decades respectively. But ELP still drew from that well. It's doing those things in the context of rock that made them prog for the time.

Alice Cooper must be prog then. He was doing the Broadway bits like that years before The Lamb came out. Clear back in 1971 with Killer and 1972 with School's Out to be exact. 
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