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Lewian
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Hahaha, just posted this on the top 10 prog albums ever thread elsewhere:
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Sagichim
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Although it's considered that the 80's killed prog and the 90's was some kind of a revival (which is basically true), there are tons of bands in the 80's still playing adventurous music. I think in general the 90's generated bands that were more consistent and more well known because of their...let say "Mainstream" approach rather than the 80's which were still maintaining an experimental approach, for example bands like DT, Ozric Tentacles, Pendragon, Porcupine Tree, The Flower Kings, Anglagard, Anekdoten, Spock's Beard, Pain Of Salvation and a lot of other metal bands enjoyed moderate success and interest. A lot of the 80's bands didn't make it to the 90's like Marillion did and vanished. Furthermore I think 1981 was as good and important to prog as the late 70's years.
Here's a small list of bands that I remember but there are so many more... 80's - Dun, Eskaton, However, Present, 5uu's, Abus Dangereux, Altais/Apsara, Amenophis, Anamorphose, Asia Minor, Bacamarte, Bi Kyo Ran, Cai, Eider Stellaire, Equilibrio Vital, Isildurs Bane, Jean Paul Prat, Kultivator, Paga Group, Pablo El Enterrador, Patrick Gauthier, Plj Band, Serge Bringolf, Shub Niggurath, Solaris, Terpandre, This Heat, Zamla Mammaz Manna, Mars Everywhere. 90's - Il Berlione, Kingston Wall, Xaal, 5uu's, Ayreon, Bi Kyo Ran, Bondage Fruit, Djem Karet, Echolyn, Eclat, Happy Family, Isildurs Bane, Landberk, Mansun, Orphand Land, Pangee, Pan.Thy.Monium, Finnegans Wake.
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M27Barney
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Again. People are claiming that stuff like the cardiacs is prog...lets face it neither Genesis nor Rush priduced prog in the eighties...and a lot of the so called neo-prog bands were forced to water diwn their prog to try and sell it...just coz your taste includes pop does not make the eighties great....only when prog became less commercial in the 90's, did we see proper prog again be released....so 90s it is by a mile...
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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^Koenji Hyakkei, Bondage Fruit, Tipographica and Happy Family were Japanese prog bands from the 90's. Symph prog was the main prog for 80's Japanese bands while in the 90's the avant bands like those I just mentioned seemed to take center stage.
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cstack3
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Thanks for this! I was an active musician in the 80s and 90s, and I thought jazz-rock fusion had a great run during both decades. Bands I saw live in the 80s included Al Dimeola, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, etc. 90's saw the reunion of Dixie Dregs, great shows by Brand X, tons more. However, I'm not familiar with Japanese prog, could you be specific?
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I agree. Same thing with the 80's.
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dougmcauliffe
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I think it's hard to argue that it was probably the weakest, or least significant decade for prog music. But I could very well be wrong. Plenty of good releases in the mix though.
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Dellinger
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I guess 90's for me, though I still have some checking out to do on both decades, but specially on the 80's... I guess mostly on Neo and Prog Metal, to begin with.
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Myth. Time to broaden your focus, son.
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verslibre
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The 90s wasn't a resurgence. It was the "Third Wave." Prog never went away.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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It's funny how so many people refer to it as a resurgence. Yeah, I suppose technically it could be called that but it was mostly just people rediscovering prog and saying to themselves "wow, this stuff is still around." I don't think prog really got many younger or newer fans(if polls are to be believed)until the 2000's. But I suppose the influx of bands who started out because they got the word through the burgeoning internet could be considered a resurgence(for lack of a better term).
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dougmcauliffe
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^ So far i'm digging Univers Zero and Art Zoyd a lot. I wasn't around, but compared to the lackluster 80s prog scene I can only assume the 90s resurgence felt special
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Wait a second. What year were you born again? I didn't know babies or toddlers listened to prog! I joke of course. Anyway, what 80's RIO/avant do you have in mind? There was Univers Zero, French TV, However, Rascal Reporters, and Art Zoyd. What else?
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verslibre
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How I view these two decades: 1980s = Tangerine Dream, King Crimson, Eloy and Rush kicked a lot of ass. 1990s = Japanese prog and fusion bands kicked a lot of ass.
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I have to say that there`s a positive/negative view point for 80/90`s bands there are a few excellent, great and some not so good ones.
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kenethlevine
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I'll add a big movement in Polish prog was initiated in the 1980s but flourished in the 1990s with Collage, Albion, Annalist, Quidam, Abraxas, and others
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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There weren't a lot of newer bands in the 80's because no one told them they could do it. In the 90's bands decided they were going to do it anyway. Actually, some of them started in the 80's but didn't really get going until the 90's. The first proper Ozric Tentacles album was released in 1989(they had cassettes before that). I think the lesser known bands were more visible in the 90's because of a growing awareness of an underground scene(even before the internet caught on and separate from it) so they maybe got a bit more exposure than the underground bands from the 80's.
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kenethlevine
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I'd have to sit down and make a list anyway to give an accurate response from my perspective but I tend to agree that there wasn't so much in the way of new prog bands in the 1980s but some of the older bands were still producing higher quality. In the 1990s a lot of new bands came in.
In the 1980s, the Germans were still going great guns, with Eloy and Novalis still doing good work in the first few years, and Anyone's Daughter producing most of their work in the 1980-1983 time frame. plus a few bands like Amenophis. In the 1990s, the prog revival in Italy was helped along by bands like Eris Pluvia, Ezra Winston and Il castello di Atlante, the latter of whom were actually a much older band that never did an album until the 1990s
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I just woke up and am tired so no long essay here, but I don't distinguish "classic" prog from "modern prog." I divide prog into two categories: prog I like, and prog I don't like. That said, there was more prog I like in the '90s.
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Mortte
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In Finland I think nineties was better time to prog than eighties. Prog was really bad word here in eighties. But of course then Jukka Gustavson made one really great album and Pekka Pohjola made 6 really good, although most of them have quite bad eighties synth sounds. But in the nineties here were also kind of alternative moving in prog, YUP made really great punkprog album Toppatakkeja ja Toledon Terästä, also Absoluuttinen Nollapiste started and make some good and one great prog-related albums. Wigwam made comeback and made one ok album, Haikara made comeback and made really great album. Pekka Pohjola released his first symphony and two others really great albums, Jukka Gustavson made two really great album and one ok jazz-album.
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