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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

My simple test for "is it the best album ever?".
Q "Is it called Music Inspired by The Snow Goose"
A "Yes" - then it is.
A "No" - then it isn't.

This, but for MoonmadnessTongue

Les Cinq Saison is an acceptable answer tooCool


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Essential album, certainly. Historically important, yes. Greatest? No. There is, after all, about 12 minutes of tinkling and noodling on one song that could be reduced to about 2 minutes of actual worthwhile listening.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

There is, after all, about 12 minutes of tinkling and noodling on one song


That's actually my favourite part of the album.
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Gots to be #2 
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

I've said it before, I don't love Court. Schizoid Man is great but for me the rest of the album is just OK. That being said  I understand it's very significant prog rock album, just not one of my favorites.  
 

Interesting. My opinion is the exact opposite of yours: Every other song is better than "Schizoid." It may be the most well-known, but IMO it's overrated. "Epitaph" is probably my fave. (And ItCotCK is still better than any one Floyd album.)
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Its not the best prog album but its a great album its in my top 25 
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Most important prog album ever but not the best though imo.
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I don't even think it's the most important prog album. It's one of them though but I would argue that CTTE is more important. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

no, prog didn’t peak 50 years ago. This is like going on an art forum and posting “is the Mona Lisa the greatest painting of all time.”

Here’s an idea for a thread, do an album of the week and chose generally lesser known albums. Every Sunday make a new post for it and have it stickied. Throughout the week members can listen and discus their thoughts and impressions on said album. Possibly only choose albums under a certain rating threshold etc, would be an infinitely more interesting discussion.
Why don't you go off and do that now. We'll be waiting for your posts. Smile
The problem with this is the response would be minimal. Maybe post only a song instead of the entire album?

The fact is...most of the current forum members want to discuss the same album forever. Maybe in 50 years that will change?

Make it a little bit more. The centennial remix will just have been released by then.
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Excellent album. Broke some ground. Definitely edgy. But not the best.
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3.5 stars. A couple of cool tracks. Fairly outdated sound and style though. Poseidon is a better effort
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'Itchycock' (to quote Dean Big smile) cycles in and out of fashion every twenty years or so in popular culture e.g. when the 90's EDM crowd deemed the Mellotron 'cool' again or in lieu of having any ideas at all, the old gets branded the new new. For me, contemporaneous albums by the Nice, Procul Harum and Arthur Brown have aged rather better. Regardless, 21st Century Schizoid Man, Epitaph and the title track are all still pretty damn indispensable for anyone wanting to trace the path from Psychedelia to Prog. Good albeit rather uneven 3 star album in my book.
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Well it's not my favorite, though there's definitely an argument to be made for it being the most important or influential prog album of all time.
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

3.5 stars. A couple of cool tracks. Fairly outdated sound and style though. Poseidon is a better effort

I feel like Poseidon is on par with Court until about halfway through The Devil's Triangle, at which point I get pretty tired of it and Court starts to seem like the more appealing listen. I do love the Peace interludes though.
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Not the best, but one of the most iconic albums of progressive music.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

3.5 stars. A couple of cool tracks. Fairly outdated sound and style though. Poseidon is a better effort

I feel like Poseidon is on par with Court until about halfway through The Devil's Triangle, at which point I get pretty tired of it and Court starts to seem like the more appealing listen. I do love the Peace interludes though.

Personally, I think Poseidon falls off a steep cliff right after Cadence and Cascade. The title track is just a poor mans epitaph, cat food is a bad Beatles B-side and the Devils Triangle is just a snooze fest. Just my thoughts though.


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I love it, 5 stars for me, but not the best. I too believe that if one album might get a chance of having more positive votes in a thread like this, it would be CttE... perhaps something from Genesis, like Selling England, or even some other album by King Crimson, I guess it would have to be Red. As for the most important, perhaps then ItCotCK might actually take the lead over CttE (at least in my mind), just for being the album that kickstarted the prog genre.
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Historically important. A landmark album in the history of prog. 21st Century Schizoid Man and the title track are superb, the rest is fairly forgettable.

For historical importance 5 stars. For the album itself 4 stars, and it's not the greatest prog album of all time, it's not even the best King Crimson album.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

no, prog didn’t peak 50 years ago. This is like going on an art forum and posting “is the Mona Lisa the greatest painting of all time.”

Here’s an idea for a thread, do an album of the week and chose generally lesser known albums. Every Sunday make a new post for it and have it stickied. Throughout the week members can listen and discus their thoughts and impressions on said album. Possibly only choose albums under a certain rating threshold etc, would be an infinitely more interesting discussion.

And there it is that you kept posting in the thread. It did make an interesting discussion after all! LOL
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Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

Historically important. A landmark album in the history of prog. 21st Century Schizoid Man and the title track are superb, the rest is fairly forgettable.

For historical importance 5 stars. For the album itself 4 stars, and it's not the greatest prog album of all time, it's not even the best King Crimson album.
 

yep pretty much spot on although Epitaph is very memorable as well. I suppose typical of so many great prog albums it had 3 Marquee tracks and a lot of other stuff. Perhaps Yes realised that you only ever have 3 great tracks for an album when they made CTTE Wink
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