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'Itchycock' (to quote Dean Big smile) cycles in and out of fashion every twenty years or so in popular culture e.g. when the 90's EDM crowd deemed the Mellotron 'cool' again or in lieu of having any ideas at all, the old gets branded the new new. For me, contemporaneous albums by the Nice, Procul Harum and Arthur Brown have aged rather better. Regardless, 21st Century Schizoid Man, Epitaph and the title track are all still pretty damn indispensable for anyone wanting to trace the path from Psychedelia to Prog. Good albeit rather uneven 3 star album in my book.
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3.5 stars. A couple of cool tracks. Fairly outdated sound and style though. Poseidon is a better effort
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Excellent album. Broke some ground. Definitely edgy. But not the best.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

no, prog didn’t peak 50 years ago. This is like going on an art forum and posting “is the Mona Lisa the greatest painting of all time.”

Here’s an idea for a thread, do an album of the week and chose generally lesser known albums. Every Sunday make a new post for it and have it stickied. Throughout the week members can listen and discus their thoughts and impressions on said album. Possibly only choose albums under a certain rating threshold etc, would be an infinitely more interesting discussion.
Why don't you go off and do that now. We'll be waiting for your posts. Smile
The problem with this is the response would be minimal. Maybe post only a song instead of the entire album?

The fact is...most of the current forum members want to discuss the same album forever. Maybe in 50 years that will change?

Make it a little bit more. The centennial remix will just have been released by then.
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I don't even think it's the most important prog album. It's one of them though but I would argue that CTTE is more important. 
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Most important prog album ever but not the best though imo.
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Its not the best prog album but its a great album its in my top 25 
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

I've said it before, I don't love Court. Schizoid Man is great but for me the rest of the album is just OK. That being said  I understand it's very significant prog rock album, just not one of my favorites.  
 

Interesting. My opinion is the exact opposite of yours: Every other song is better than "Schizoid." It may be the most well-known, but IMO it's overrated. "Epitaph" is probably my fave. (And ItCotCK is still better than any one Floyd album.)
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Gots to be #2 
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

There is, after all, about 12 minutes of tinkling and noodling on one song


That's actually my favourite part of the album.
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Essential album, certainly. Historically important, yes. Greatest? No. There is, after all, about 12 minutes of tinkling and noodling on one song that could be reduced to about 2 minutes of actual worthwhile listening.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

My simple test for "is it the best album ever?".
Q "Is it called Music Inspired by The Snow Goose"
A "Yes" - then it is.
A "No" - then it isn't.

This, but for MoonmadnessTongue

Les Cinq Saison is an acceptable answer tooCool


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

no, prog didn’t peak 50 years ago. This is like going on an art forum and posting “is the Mona Lisa the greatest painting of all time.”

Here’s an idea for a thread, do an album of the week and chose generally lesser known albums. Every Sunday make a new post for it and have it stickied. Throughout the week members can listen and discus their thoughts and impressions on said album. Possibly only choose albums under a certain rating threshold etc, would be an infinitely more interesting discussion.
Why don't you go off and do that now. We'll be waiting for your posts. Smile
The problem with this is the response would be minimal. Maybe post only a song instead of the entire album?

The fact is...most of the current forum members want to discuss the same album forever. Maybe in 50 years that will change?
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My simple test for "is it the best album ever?".
Q "Is it called Music Inspired by The Snow Goose"
A "Yes" - then it is.
A "No" - then it isn't.
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I wouldn't call it the best prog album ever made, but it's a great album, no doubt about that (perhaps with "Epitaph" as the weakest track). My favourite parts are probably "I Talk to the Wind" and the "Illusion" section of "Moonchild".
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It was probably the best for 1969, but not the best ever. Great album though. I do get more out of Poseidon than Court these days.

Edited by Tom Ozric - May 22 2020 at 08:54
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I've said it before, I don't love Court. Schizoid Man is great but for me the rest of the album is just OK. That being said  I understand it's very significant prog rock album, just not one of my favorites.  
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I've listened to and reviewed hundreds of prog albums that are "the best album ever", and In the Court of the Crimson King is just one of many albums that I'd give a five star rating to, although I wouldn't give five stars to any other King Crimson album, as their debut album is their best by far in my opinion. Smile
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I would call it essential. A 4-star rating would do this album justice. It is by no means a masterpiece (though the first and the last track may qualify as masterpiece content), but the historic significance is undoubtedly there.
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Originally posted by friso friso wrote:

The best prog album ever by approximation. Besides the quality of the songwriting, it has attracted so many bands and listeners to genre.

That'll do me.
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