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Poll Question: Which Year: 1969 or 1972?
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

ItCotCK. Without 1969 there would be no 1972. Clown

This is literally the reason I made this thread, to see how long this argument would take to appear!

You're correct. That's why I figured this one isn't as straight forward as some may think! Wink Clap

But you asked which year has more albums that you would cue up, not which year was more important. 1969 was obviously more important because of KC, but 72 has so many more releases that are every bit of definitive.

Right but think about it again for a second - a lot of people will conflate important with "must listen" anyway, so the line is blurry. Many will still argue that IToTCK is the best prog album of all time, withstanding influence and genre pioneering importance.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


ItCotCK. Without 1969 there would be no 1972. Clown

Non provable hypothesis...so 1972
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I like 1974.

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awesome answer, close the thread LOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I like 1974.


LOL
awesome answer, close the thread LOL

1973 is better. SEBTP and TFTO...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I like 1974.


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awesome answer, close the thread LOL

1973 is better. SEBTP and TFTO...

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I like 1974.


LOL
awesome answer, close the thread LOL

1973 is better. SEBTP and TFTO...

LOL

Yeah but bro, TPaTG... Wink

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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

1969. If the other choice had been 1971, I would have then chosen that.


There was (and probably still is) a piece somewhere on NPR's website where a journalist argues that 1971 was the premier year for rock. It's certainly smack in the middle of the golden period.

Interestingly he made the point that not everything about pop culture was at a peak at that time. He wouldn't, for instance, want to inflict a night of 1971 television on anyone.

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Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

1969. If the other choice had been 1971, I would have then chosen that.


There was (and probably still is) a piece somewhere on NPR's website where a journalist argues that 1971 was the premier year for rock. It's certainly smack in the middle of the golden period.

Interestingly he made the point that not everything about pop culture was at a peak at that time. He wouldn't, for instance, want to inflict a night of 1971 television on anyone.

What was on cable TV in 1971?

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Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

1969. If the other choice had been 1971, I would have then chosen that.


There was (and probably still is) a piece somewhere on NPR's website where a journalist argues that 1971 was the premier year for rock. It's certainly smack in the middle of the golden period.

Interestingly he made the point that not everything about pop culture was at a peak at that time. He wouldn't, for instance, want to inflict a night of 1971 television on anyone.
Has there ever been a peak time in television? At least not in Finland.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

1969. If the other choice had been 1971, I would have then chosen that.


There was (and probably still is) a piece somewhere on NPR's website where a journalist argues that 1971 was the premier year for rock. It's certainly smack in the middle of the golden period.

Interestingly he made the point that not everything about pop culture was at a peak at that time. He wouldn't, for instance, want to inflict a night of 1971 television on anyone.
Has there ever been a peak time in television? At least not in Finland.


I think there is a consensus that it around 2000 with the Sopranos, and we're probably still in it (except that the concept of TV itself has become so balkanised in the last decade). I certainly agree as far as drama goes - Sopranos lifted the standard of TV drama incredibly, to the extent that for instance the pilot of 'Boardwalk Empire' had a motion picture budget and was directed by Martin Scorsese). OTOH 2000 was also the year that Reality TV really took off and became A Thing :/

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


ItCotCK. Without 1969 there would be no 1972. Clown

Non provable hypothesis...so 1972

This is honestly a good discussion for a new thread.

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Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Braka1 Braka1 wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

1969. If the other choice had been 1971, I would have then chosen that.


There was (and probably still is) a piece somewhere on NPR's website where a journalist argues that 1971 was the premier year for rock. It's certainly smack in the middle of the golden period.

Interestingly he made the point that not everything about pop culture was at a peak at that time. He wouldn't, for instance, want to inflict a night of 1971 television on anyone.
Has there ever been a peak time in television? At least not in Finland.


I think there is a consensus that it around 2000 with the Sopranos, and we're probably still in it (except that the concept of TV itself has become so balkanised in the last decade). I certainly agree as far as drama goes - Sopranos lifted the standard of TV drama incredibly, to the extent that for instance the pilot of 'Boardwalk Empire' had a motion picture budget and was directed by Martin Scorsese). OTOH 2000 was also the year that Reality TV really took off and became A Thing :/


I havenīt watched Sopranos at all (my brother told me it is great serie, not sure did it come in Finland from the television or from other source, probably television). Havenīt got much interest to the television after eighties, watched mostly just music programmes. Anyway I donīt think one great serie made one year a television peak, itīs same thing that saying some 2000-year greatest year of the popular music when then came one great album. I have had greatest times in Finland in the eighties when they showed many Dennis Potter series, also here were then quite many Finnish good TV-series. 
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

If someone asked you "Show me what prog rock is?!", which of these two years has more albums that you'd cue up?

1969 is the year of birth.

1972 is the year of success.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

If someone asked you "Show me what prog rock is?!", which of these two years has more albums that you'd cue up?

1969 is the year of birth.

1972 is the year of success.

Well said.

With that said, what single album from one of those years would you show somebody? JC!

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


ItCotCK. Without 1969 there would be no 1972. Clown

Non provable hypothesis...so 1972

This is honestly a good discussion for a new thread.
I ran a poll sometime ago asking which was the best year ever for prog and the classic year of 1973 was the overall winner. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


ItCotCK. Without 1969 there would be no 1972. Clown

Non provable hypothesis...so 1972

This is honestly a good discussion for a new thread.
I ran a poll sometime ago asking which was the best year ever for prog and the classic year of 1973 was the overall winner. Smile

Interesting, I'd have figured 1972 would win with flying colors.

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In my Annus Mirabilis of Prog poll, way back on Page 26, the  year of 1973 won the poll by a wide margin with 11 votes, compared to just 3 votes for the year of 1972. Smile
https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=121908
 
These are ten of my favourite best-known albums from the classic prog year of 1973:-
 
 
MIKE OLDFIELD - Tubular Bells
PINK FLOYD - Dark Side of the Moon
GENESIS - Selling England by the Pound
CAMEL - Camel
CARAVAN - For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night
YES - Tales from Topographic Oceans
RENAISSANCE - Ashes Are Burning
FRUUPP - Future Legends
NEKTAR - Remember the Future
HAWKWIND - Space Ritual
 


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Well, 1969 is very impressive when you take all the popular music into account:
- high-water mark of counterculture (Beatles, Creedence, The Band, TABB, Tommy!)
- birth of prog (KC), starting point for many great bands (though I count Led Zeppelin as part of 1968 class)
- fusion (Miles, Zappa)
- folk, country and co. had a GREAT year (CS&N, Neil Young & Crazy Horse, Van Zandt, Buckley, Fairport Convention..)
- soul and funk (Hayes, Sly), blues rock, and more

BUT as far as prog goes, 1972 is much stronger. It's hard to compete with 1972 at all.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

ItCotCK. Without 1969 there would be no 1972. Clown

What?.....did Crimson have the 'Keys To Time' or something and allowed the universe to go on...?

BTW...the poll said I voted but I don't recall.....apparently Crimson also stole my memory.

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LMAO @ 43 / 4 for 1972 / 1969.

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