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90125 - Invisible Touch is probably the most pop thing Genesis ever did. 
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We Can't Dance?
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

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Neither album interests me. I would rather listen to 90125 more than Invisible Touch, but to answer the original poster's question: Invisible Touch is more "proggy" for the Domino suite, The Brazilian, and the middle section of Tonight, Tonight, Tonight. It's not great prog and electronic drums haven't aged well to my ears, but it is what it is.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So Yes and Genesis should have continued to make prog in the eighties while they went to soup kitchens during the day and worked at mcdonalds at night and recorded albums in between? Tongue

Clearly PA would have preferred that scenario.......I have said many times before that all bands should be paid for their efforts, in both these cases it took Yes and Genesis to change with the times and the cash was growing on trees for them. Progressive rock was DEAD people in the mid 80's to 90's. It was a dying formula, the good thing is that both of these excellent albums kept a lot of the prog flavor of the 70's.

It was about time these bands got the pay and recognition they deserved, the prog community was not going to make them millionaires.

I love both albums, matter of fact just the other day I spun both 90125 and IT and as much as I love 90125, I give the nod to Genesis as I think it is more proggy. Invisible Touch album cover art is more proggy too, especially the embossed feel of the jacket.

I do give the Beatles credit for not going 100% progressive/prog as they knew they would lose the girl factor in their popularity....and lose a lot of money.
The point though is that Genesis and Yes don't do good pop. If I wanted good pop in the eighties I would've gone Talking Heads, U2, Crowded House, Kate Bush and a few other bands before going to Genesis and Yes and stuck to Neo Prog bands like Marillion for my Prog addition. Don't decry Genesis and Yes making good money in the eighties via the pop route though. Good luck to them.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

We Can't Dance?
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Who were arguably better than Genesis in the 80's
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So Yes and Genesis should have continued to make prog in the eighties while they went to soup kitchens during the day and worked at mcdonalds at night and recorded albums in between? Tongue

Clearly PA would have preferred that scenario.......I have said many times before that all bands should be paid for their efforts, in both these cases it took Yes and Genesis to change with the times and the cash was growing on trees for them. Progressive rock was DEAD people in the mid 80's to 90's. It was a dying formula, the good thing is that both of these excellent albums kept a lot of the prog flavor of the 70's.

It was about time these bands got the pay and recognition they deserved, the prog community was not going to make them millionaires.

I love both albums, matter of fact just the other day I spun both 90125 and IT and as much as I love 90125, I give the nod to Genesis as I think it is more proggy. Invisible Touch album cover art is more proggy too, especially the embossed feel of the jacket.

I do give the Beatles credit for not going 100% progressive/prog as they knew they would lose the girl factor in their popularity....and lose a lot of money.
The point though is that Genesis and Yes don't do good pop. 

Tell that to the millions of pop fans who bought Land Of Confusion, Owner Of A Lonely Heart, In Too Deep, and Leave It in droves. Imo Yes and especially Genesis were excellent at making pop music in the 80s.
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I think Genesis s/t and 90125 could be good rivals.
I haven’t listened to the IT album for many years, though I flogged it to death during the late-80’s. Loved it almost as much as Nursery Cryme !!
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think Genesis s/t and 90125 could be good rivals.
I haven’t listened to the IT album for many years, though I flogged it to death during the late-80’s. Loved it almost as much as Nursery Cryme !!


I didn't hate IT when I first heard it. I was pleased to see my favourite band having such success. These days, I think the album is an abberation.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Neither album interests me. I would rather listen to 90125 more than Invisible Touch, but to answer the original poster's question: Invisible Touch is more "proggy" for the Domino suite, The Brazilian, and the middle section of Tonight, Tonight, Tonight. It's not great prog and electronic drums haven't aged well to my ears, but it is what it is.


Exactly.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think Genesis s/t and 90125 could be good rivals.
I haven’t listened to the IT album for many years, though I flogged it to death during the late-80’s. Loved it almost as much as Nursery Cryme !!
To be honest, I agree. I like everything Genesis has done, but I prefer the proggier moments.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think Genesis s/t and 90125 could be good rivals.
I haven’t listened to the IT album for many years, though I flogged it to death during the late-80’s. Loved it almost as much as Nursery Cryme !!
To be honest, I agree. I like everything Genesis has done, but I prefer the proggier moments.

Me too. It's too bad Genesis were never very popular. Wink
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Both aren’t the best studio albums by ever band but on a personal level it’s 90125 takes the vote
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think Genesis s/t and 90125 could be good rivals.
I haven’t listened to the IT album for many years, though I flogged it to death during the late-80’s. Loved it almost as much as Nursery Cryme !!

To be honest, I agree. I like everything Genesis has done, but I prefer the proggier moments.


Me too. It's too bad Genesis were never very popular. Wink
I never looked at Genesis ‘selling out’ - I believe the guys made a compromise - they were in the ‘big league’ - it was the 80’s, not many folks could bother listening to songs in 13/8 so Genesis made solid Pop songs and threw in occasional Prog pieces, albeit, accessible 80’s Prog (not Neo-Prog).
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

We Can't Dance?
Right, said Fred.


Who were arguably better than Genesis in the 80's

I'll buy that argument. Since Right, said Fred was a 90's thing, the sound of nothing they made in the 80's was so much more enjoyable than 80's Genesis. 

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I think Genesis s/t and 90125 could be good rivals.
I haven’t listened to the IT album for many years, though I flogged it to death during the late-80’s. Loved it almost as much as Nursery Cryme !!

To be honest, I agree. I like everything Genesis has done, but I prefer the proggier moments.


Me too. It's too bad Genesis were never very popular. Wink
I never looked at Genesis ‘selling out’ - I believe the guys made a compromise - they were in the ‘big league’ - it was the 80’s, not many folks could bother listening to songs in 13/8 so Genesis made solid Pop songs and threw in occasional Prog pieces, albeit, accessible 80’s Prog (not Neo-Prog).

I know. That was supposed to be a little "in joke" between myself and Father Christmas who seemed to suggest Rush were never that popular in another thread. I was just trying to have a little fun with that comment. But yeah I don't think they were deliberately selling out I just think they got caught up in the pop thing. It happens. The 80's wasn't exactly the most friendly era for prog and so pop was just the genre they fell into and became comfortable with. I can't really blame them for that. It didn't work for Gentle Giant but Genesis embraced it. Good for them.

And no we shouldn't forget that even after Steve left or after and then there were three or after Duke or whenever you want to say they turned mostly pop they still did throw in the occasional prog song or have the occasional prog moment. However, it usually felt like they were just throwing a bone to their older fans. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it's pretty clear that starting with Duke in particular or maybe even Abacab prog was no longer their main focus. 


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I voted for IT although I would rather listen to 90125.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Neither album interests me. I would rather listen to 90125 more than Invisible Touch, but to answer the original poster's question: Invisible Touch is more "proggy" for the Domino suite, The Brazilian, and the middle section of Tonight, Tonight, Tonight. It's not great prog and electronic drums haven't aged well to my ears, but it is what it is.

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90125 got my vote here. 
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

We Can't Dance?
Right, said Fred.


Who were arguably better than Genesis in the 80's


I'll buy that argument. Since Right, said Fred was a 90's thing, the sound of nothing they made in the 80's was so much more enjoyable than 80's Genesis. 


Yes fair shout, although I didn't say RSF made any music in the 80's, I was merely suggesting what they did do was better than Genesis in the 80's. I was of course not being entirely serious..
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