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AFlowerKingCrimson
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For some reason I never got around to that ELP album but I agree with the others especially ATWTT. With animals I'm not a super big fan of it but compared to DSOTM and the wall it's certainly underrated. It still sold a lot of copies over the years though.
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Zeph
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That is an interesting train of thought. I wonder how the ratings would look if we only had 3, 4 or 5 stars we could give them, with the same descriptors. The worst you could give an album was "Good, but non-essential". I have taken part in similar discussions about completely different topics, but in the same vein of allowing users/people to give something positive feedback, but not negative. Like Facebook which originally only had a thumbs up feature, whereas now there are hearts and angry faces they can use. I've also encountered it in other forums where we discussed whether users should be given the option to upvote or downvote posts, or just upvote. No rating system will ever be perfect, especially if one is to consider both how fair it is to the artists and how helpful to the potential buyers.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Great list, especially Drama! My favorite non-Anderson Yes album. I don't hear Buggles at, I hear Yes taking their sound to the next logical step for the decade. Trevor's voice is perfect for that band!
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Interesting, I've always thought the sound on Genesis Live was fine.
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Zeph
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I'm guessing it got hate because it was different from most of Steven's previous work, which has been very successfull within the prog rock community. Four out of the top eleven albums the last 30 years on PA comes from him (solo or PT). It is a bit ironic since his music typically is classified as prog rock and he gets hate for being progressive. He may end up progressing outside of prog rock altogether, but he shouldn't get hate for it. I applaud anyone that expand their sound and dare venture outside of the safe comfort of their back catalogue. The album is a good prog pop album, but if you expect a prog rock album, you'll undoubtedly be disappointed. Which I think explains a lot of the reviews.
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moshkito
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Hi, This is an idealistic thought ... it is nowhere near the truth and can't possibly be, since you can NEVER rely/depend on public this or that, because tomorrow it will be different and they will like another show in a different network ... at least according to the media (which the same networks OWN) This leaves it all, just about, to a place like PA and others that discuss "progressive" and "prog" with a more informational and helpful detail and content. Same thing in theater ... different nights and the audience changes ... Friday Nights is the drunk audience (so to speak), Saturday Night is the "professorial" audience counting rhymes and meter, and Sunday afternoon is the kiddies laughing at the funny costumes and situations! This is exactly what it feels like here sometimes ... and while most folks are "adamant" about their favorites, many of them lack the objectiveness to give the music a fair shot ... "progressive" or "prog" is NOT about favorites ... it's about a bunch of groups that did something that still stands out as better than the fire sale old sox' of some old music! We have to come to grips with our ideas and if we are going to help or not give a darn. AND this alone, would make any media look stupid and senseless, and worthless! I always ask ... where do you stand? If it is your favorite you are not a progressive/prog listener at all!
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Any a thing by Gentle Giant, not only upon release, btw.
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care to back that up?
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Frenetic Zetetic
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I always wondered this, TBH! How was GG perceived at the time by the general music audience, let alone progressive rock fans? I'd assume even the latter had issue getting into them as much as say, Yes, Tull. KC, etc.; I could be wrong! Someone enlighten me with this prog history; I don't see TPATG going over too well in 1974 lol.
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My friends and I are all into Yes, Genesis and ELP but I don't remember GG ever featuring in our conversations, nor any of us having any GG albums. A friend of mine was into them in the early 80s and everyone else thought "wtf" and I didn't get into them until much later.
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In the era of politically correct overkill, Borat needs to get the chop too. Not for being PI, but for being politically not funny. We need all the good political jokes we can get nowadays. Edited by SteveG - October 31 2020 at 07:51 |
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^ I hope so, lets not let the thread go this way
I'll add Heritage by Opeth. While I think it's rated fairly here, many fans HATED this full transition to prog rock that previously was only one element of their classic sound. I personally really enjoy this album, though there's a couple tracks on here that I think could use a little honing in. Reading old RYM reviews people pounced on this with their emotions rather than the actual musical content, which truthfully contains some stunning and brilliant moments. It seems fans are coming around to this black sheep of the catalog.
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The first three Bill Bruford Earthworks albums were not liked because of Bill's choice to use electronic drums. I love all three. He was incorporating the technology of the time in his music. Groundbreaking and original. PA ratings..."Earthworks" (3.16), "Dig?" (2.72), "All Heaven Broke Loose" (2.94). Absurd.
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Ronnie Montrose's Open Fire. You'll never hear any of it on FM radio.
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Hi, Put all these jokes on Audacity (or equivalent) and turn them BACKWARDS at the same speed ... it will be funny and very entertaining, but a shame that the real meanings still do not show!
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moshkito
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Hi, Well ... I did ... and it was on the very special show you guys ... ohh forget it ... it's a waste of time, that people think that nothing ever gets played anywhere. Simply not true and never will be.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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And The There Were Three and ELP's Works 2.
Very unfairly maligned. Prog fans calf love for departing guitarists influenced 'judgment'. Poor little Nemos. |
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