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    Posted: March 08 2021 at 02:07
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No 4.00+ averages on your board, I like that.
On the other hand it means he's rated 46 prog electronic albums and on average they're only good for collectors.

I always get confused when people complain about this sort of thing. If someone's taken the time to listen to 46 electronic albums then they're entitled to their own opinion on how good they are. Clearly the style isn't for them, and that's fair enough. If everyone only did ratings for things within their comfort zone then the entire website would be full of 4 and 5 star albums and the whole system would be pointless.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote iluvmarillion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2021 at 22:36
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Tiny, but it takes more time to write in English.


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1 Crossover Prog192.63
2 Prog Folk173.00
3 Symphonic Prog14.00
You can always repost your table later with more album ratings, just like I did yesterday after rating all of Supertramp's albums. Smile

Fully two-fifths of my Symphonic Prog ratings/reviews are all for Rick Wakeman's albums: 107  out of a total of 283 albums. Smile


Well, I'd rather review 5-10 albums per year than rate 100 weekly, but maybe I should rethink my tactics.

I think reviewing 5-10 a year and rating 10 a week is where I'm at. I probably give 10 albums new to me a good listen every week. Knowing them well enough to write a review is a lot more effort.
Everybody is different but in my case I couldn't write a review unless I listened to an album at least about five times. Since I've got albums that go back up to 10 years that I've maybe played about 2-3 times it's not possible for me to write a review I would be confident in. The other point is I change my mind all the time so any rating only reflects those thoughts and comments I had at the time I wrote the review.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2021 at 09:27
Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

It was a few years ago that I last went through and rated albums, so this is very incomplete. 
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Anyway, needs updating badly, but I did (and still do) hold to the idea of using 5 and 1 star ratings sparingly:
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Hi,

I kinda feel too lazy to bother checking ... for the most part the only albums I have EVER reviewed were the ones that were tops in my book ... even though I joke about many here, I really do not wish to write a review for a "sub" this or that album that I decided I did not like ... we need to PROMOTE progressive music and prog, not DEMOTE it with a bad review, so in this case not saying anything is better for me.

There are, in all likelihood, at least 300 to 400 albums that I would want to review, and they all would get at least a 4, and a rating of 4 or above ... but to me the principle is weird and strange and I do not want to think like everyone else who has left behind the rest of the music so they could vote for their favorite with a 5.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote zwordser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2021 at 11:10
It was a few years ago that I last went through and rated albums, so this is very incomplete. I also don't think I write very good reviews, so I have but few, but I finally decided to review Cats on the Roof last month (because I like their albums, and was surprised to see that they had no ratings--let alone reviews).

Anyway, needs updating badly, but I did (and still do) hold to the idea of using 5 and 1 star ratings sparingly:

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1 Symphonic Prog503.54
2 Heavy Prog213.57
3 Eclectic Prog193.74
4 Crossover Prog143.50
5 Jazz Rock/Fusion103.20
6 Psychedelic/Space Rock83.63
7 Progressive Metal83.25
8 Rock Progressivo Italiano83.63
9 Canterbury Scene63.67
10 Prog Folk63.50
11 RIO/Avant-Prog63.00
12 Neo-Prog33.67
13 Zeuhl23.50
14 Prog Related23.50
15 Experimental/Post Metal23.00
16 Post Rock/Math rock14.00
17 Progressive Electronic13.00


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2021 at 08:49
Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:



No 4.00+ averages on your board, I like that.
On the other hand it means he's rated 46 prog electronic albums and on average they're only good for collectors.
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Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

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No 4.00+ averages on your board, I like that.

Hi,

I was thinking the same thing! Smile
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

It's Good to See You back on the forums Again, in the words of Neil Young. Smile
 
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^ My ratings/reviews table looks relatively sparse compared to your impressive list, with three times as many albums and almost twice as many genres too. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2021 at 05:59
 
Interesting to see that my averages are still higher than most despite a recent renovation of my ratings philosophy, but then, I do tend to favor writing & posting reviews of albums I want to promote. Also nice to see my two favorite subs, Zeuhl and Prog Folk, making good showings. 




Edited by BrufordFreak - March 05 2021 at 05:59
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:



No 4.00+ averages on your board, I like that.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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I think reviewing 5-10 a year and rating 10 a week is where I'm at. I probably give 10 albums new to me a good listen every week. Knowing them well enough to write a review is a lot more effort.

Hi,

I wish I had the desire to write more reviews ... but I probably do about 5 new things per week, and likely 9 or 10 albums all told ... for example, this week it has been a band from Finland, that has taken 3 listens already ... the album is that good! A really fine album does that for me ... multiple listens ... as I can not be dispassionate about something that is so nice! Even movies do that for me ... I watched KIN twice a year ago as it was so well done!

Writing the reviews is something I stopped doing here because of the multiplicity of it all ... I wanted to do one band, but seeing singles listed (no reviews needed since the material was on an album!!!!!), and then the re-releases of the same thing, and in one case an illegal copy whose quality is a serious issue ... but it does not matter? It's like reviewing THE DOORS big single hit, and then also review the real version on the album ... the only thing the single needs is how fudged up AM radio was at that time to cut the song up ... for that matter PF's Money being not only cut up by a third, and then censored! And we continue to ignore the great insults to a lot of our music ... and we need to put that nail in the coffin to stop it!

I don't want to do "singles" and re-releases, even if they have new material in it, unless it is so drastically different as to require a review. 

I think I have only uploaded a handful of reviews ... the principle of the whole thing is totally wrong and I guess I am a person to whom values and principles are important, and in this case, I find them abusive to the artist ... someone rating a band for a single ... it's too much for me, when the rest of their music is shmuck or the album pales in comparison!

This week's listening, for example: (Note: All of these were played on Space Pirate Radio this past week!)
Mogwai (New)
Menzman & Friends (new)
Herd of Instinct (New)
Ozric Tentacles (new)
Ian Carr's Nucleus (older -- nice!)
Thaneco
Kairon;IRSE!
Shinpal
Michael Bruckner & Detlev Everling
Syndromeda

Now you know why I do not have time for "singles" and record company rip-off and re-releases! And I can't help keep saying to PA that we need to respect the artist a little more!

Would like, ALSO, to see a bigger and more detailed separation between REVIEWS, and RATINGS. Since many folks are rating based on 3 minute listens and not the album, likely more times than we care to admit! I simply can't do that. I usually know the album fairly well when I review it!


Edited by moshkito - March 04 2021 at 08:22
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Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Tiny, but it takes more time to write in English.


Sub-genreNb of reviewsAvg rating
1 Crossover Prog192.63
2 Prog Folk173.00
3 Symphonic Prog14.00
You can always repost your table later with more album ratings, just like I did yesterday after rating all of Supertramp's albums. Smile

Fully two-fifths of my Symphonic Prog ratings/reviews are all for Rick Wakeman's albums: 107  out of a total of 283 albums. Smile


Well, I'd rather review 5-10 albums per year than rate 100 weekly, but maybe I should rethink my tactics.

I think reviewing 5-10 a year and rating 10 a week is where I'm at. I probably give 10 albums new to me a good listen every week. Knowing them well enough to write a review is a lot more effort.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Tiny, but it takes more time to write in English.


Sub-genreNb of reviewsAvg rating
1 Crossover Prog192.63
2 Prog Folk173.00
3 Symphonic Prog14.00
You can always repost your table later with more album ratings, just like I did yesterday after rating all of Supertramp's albums. Smile

Fully two-fifths of my Symphonic Prog ratings/reviews are all for Rick Wakeman's albums: 107  out of a total of 283 albums. Smile


Well, I'd rather review 5-10 albums per year than rate 100 weekly, but maybe I should rethink my tactics.
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Same table but using my Gnosis data

  Sub-genre Nb of ratings Avg rating
1 Avant-Garde 558 3.59
2 Eclectic 145 3.39
3 Fusion 127 3.36
4 Crossover 102 3.42
5 Electronic 85 3.42
6 Canterbury 82 3.56
7 Zeuhl 82 3.65
8 Folk Prog 74 3.64
9 Space Rock 66 3.40
10 Prog Related 61 3.17
11 Symphonic 58 3.32
12 Krautrock 35 3.62
13 Post Rock 34 3.32
14 Heavy 32 3.34
15 Italian Prog 15 3.64
16 Post Metal 14 3.33
17 Extreme Prog Metal 13 3.13
18 Prog Metal 12 3.06
19 Neo 9 3.04
20 Math Rock 8 3.17
21 Proto Prog 8 3.53
22 Indo Raga 3 3.67


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - March 04 2021 at 05:59
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Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Tiny, but it takes more time to write in English.


Sub-genreNb of reviewsAvg rating
1 Crossover Prog192.63
2 Prog Folk173.00
3 Symphonic Prog14.00
You can always repost your table later with more album ratings, just like I did yesterday after rating all of Supertramp's albums. Smile

Fully two-fifths of my Symphonic Prog ratings/reviews are all for Rick Wakeman's albums: 107  out of a total of 283 albums. Smile


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - March 04 2021 at 05:30
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Tiny, but it takes more time to write in English.


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2 Prog Folk173.00
3 Symphonic Prog14.00
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote iluvmarillion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 22:55
Wrote a few reviews during COVID, but it doesn't really reveal any genre preferences or preferable periods of time because they're too few reviews. It was just whatever took my fancy to write at the time.
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1Symphonic Prog323.41
2Crossover Prog253.24
3Neo-Prog83.13
4Eclectic Prog84.50
5Prog Folk73.43
6Psychedelic/Space Rock63.50
7Proto-Prog44.25
8Prog Related23.50
9Heavy Prog22.50
10Tech/Extreme Prog Metal14.00
11Progressive Metal14.00
12Rock Progressivo Italiano
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote A Crimson Mellotron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 00:08
My previous profile's table would have been perfect for this (I had more than 1000 ratings with several reviews) but this profile's been gone for half a year now. The table of my current one is unworthy, with some +/-40 reviews. LOL
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by bartymj bartymj wrote:

I've definitely been quantity over quality, most of this is ratings only - have been using PA to broaden my horizons beyong the obvious prog giants of yesteryear (having been born in the bleak prog void of the early 90s). I suppose the biggest takeaway from this is a discovery of Zeuhl...
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Hi,

I do not "believe" that there was a "bleak prog void" at any time and place. There are way too many bands around the world, and all we think of is the small areas that we know, sometimes, and think they are the owners and definers of the art form only in the way that we want them. The same music with aborigine instruments would get laughed at and ignored by most of us real quick, not to mention that it would sound out of key (western style of course!), and badly put together! But it can't be said that the effort was not there for that particular style!

Sometimes I think that too much music is influenced by the current scene too much, and there is a lot of stuff that goes into it and the 90's, just like any other era had just as many good/great things. The only issue is that we don't listen to those, and then go back to the top 5 and discussing the same album again, and our favorite song.

However, you will find some artists (quoting Robin Williamson) that did not feel that the MEDIA had as great an influence as we think on most poets and artists, however, it maybe like the art itself is what defined the media words AFTER the fact ... which says a lot about artists and how valuable and important I think they are. I am not sure that the numbers here reveal a whole lot about the music at all ... which is sad for me ... there is a lot of great stuff out there not being heard.

Zheul had been around in France for a long time, and in many forms almost to the point that many folks like to say that a large amount of it is actually better than the original, which of course is possible and likely ... what child doesn't get bored with their parents at times and wants to do things differently? SPECIALLY when they had been there at the start, with likely a hand in making the original!

But there are some strange numbers ... this latest set shows 9 ratings, and that is the opening page of "Reviews and Ratings of KRAUTROCK" and right above it says that there were 731 ratings/reviews total. It actually is not a "bad" listing, but a very general set that does not really come close to the term, or its definition. CAN's Future Days, almost does not fit the term, when compared to Tago Mago or Ege Bamyasi, that are very clean and improvised freely. Ash Ra Tempel's first album is more of an ambient album than where it is rated. Popol Vuh, would not fit as "krautrock" since it was not any kind of rock, until later! I'm OK with the 3 AD2 selections with the obvious fact that a lot of the first album was not exactly an improvisation and have the incredible impact that YETI did, or DANCE OF THE LEMMINGS.

Whoa, easy now... I was just being silly. Looks like I accidentally started an argument.
As for the Krautrock paragraph... they just happen to be albums I've listened to, PA files them under Krautrock. I've not chosen those 9 and decided that means I don't like Krautrock, don't worry...
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