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    Posted: September 22 2021 at 09:21
If I were to listen to PFM, what albums should be listened to? I heard that they had a "massive creative burst at the beginning of their career then an ocean of nothing special" from richardh on this thread I made http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127185&FID=44. 
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Storia di un minuto
Per un amico
L'isola di niente

are the essentials. I don't like the English language versions (some do). I do quite like Chocolate Kings too. My favourite is Storia... followed by L'isola.., but most here seem to enjoy Per un Amico the most. The ProgArchives and rateyourmusic artist/band pages album ratings are usually a good guide to go by, I find.


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The two first: Storia di un Minuto, Per un Amico... and then their third: L'isola di Niente. Stick with the original italian versions. After that, I'm not all that interested but Stati di Immaginazione from 2006 is alright.
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What about Photos of Ghosts?
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I don't like Photos of Ghosts which acts an English language remake. As for Stati di Immaginazione, many people loved it, but I was disappointed at the time it came out and never really returned to it (maybe once).
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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

What about Photos of Ghosts?
It's Per un Amico in english and doesn't count as a unique album for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2021 at 09:50
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

What about Photos of Ghosts?
It's Per un Amico in english and doesn't count as a unique album for me.


Its been so many years since I heard it or discussed it, but I was thinking it took music from both Per un amico and Storia di un minuto (plus one unique track perhaps).

I rather despise that album, maybe in a similar way to how I feel about dubbing rather than subbing films. And it just sounds worse to me when sung in English.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

What about Photos of Ghosts?
It's Per un Amico in english and doesn't count as a unique album for me.


Its been so many years since I heard it or discussed it, but I was thinking it took music from both Per un amico and Storia di un minuto (plus one unique track perhaps).
I think its just Per un Amico plus a short track called Old Rain...
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The World Became the World is L'Isola di Niente plus The World Became the World/Impressioni di Settembre from the debut
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2021 at 10:03
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

What about Photos of Ghosts?
It's Per un Amico in english and doesn't count as a unique album for me.


Its been so many years since I heard it or discussed it, but I was thinking it took music from both Per un amico and Storia di un minuto (plus one unique track perhaps).
I think its just Per un Amico plus a short track called Old Rain...


I think Celebration off it is at least based on E' festa from Storia di un minuto. But basically it is an English language remake of Per un amico.   It is an album I'd avoid (having failed to before), but some do like it.
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^yes you are correct.
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I join the chorus saying to privilege the Italian albums and consider Photos of Ghosts a compilation album - not bad at al, and it has the splendid Il banchetto in Italian, but it remains a compilation album, imho.
I also think that the first three - Storia di un minuto, Per un amico and L'isola di niente - are the best. Somehow, I also like their live album Performance, which is not very well rated here; it has a much more 80s sound to it, more compact, but quite engaging I think.
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I'm from Canada, where PFM were big in the seventies, and what we were mainly exposed to were the English language albums from that time, which I really like, and have a sentimental connection to, as they were the first RPI recordings I ever heard and loved. Photos of Ghosts, The World Became The World, Chocolate Kings, Jet Lag, and Passpartu are for me what has given me decades of listening pleasure and has stood the test of time for me quite nicely.  
        Is their later work worth it, or comparable in quality, I don't know as I have not immersed myself in any of it.
           
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Chocolate Kings and Jet Lag have a different vocalist (Bernardo Lanzetti) who sounds a lot like Roger Chapman from Family. Good albums, a bit more removed from the classic early style but still very progressive. Jazzy in spots.

Suonare Suonare is another later one I like. Definitely hitting pop territory here, but not quite in full-on 80s mode yet. The drummer starts taking a bigger share of the lead vocals at this point.
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I just heard that Peter Sinfield wrote lyrics for Photos of Ghosts. 
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I'm from Canada, where PFM were big in the seventies, and what we were mainly exposed to were the English language albums from that time, which I really like, and have a sentimental connection to, as they were the first RPI recordings I ever heard and loved. Photos of Ghosts, The World Became The World, Chocolate Kings, Jet Lag, and Passpartu are for me what has given me decades of listening pleasure and has stood the test of time for me quite nicely.  
        Is their later work worth it, or comparable in quality, I don't know as I have not immersed myself in any of it.
           
As am I. And yes the originals are superior in some ways, but don't discount he English versions totally. I would add Cook to the list, aka 'Live in the USA' or something like that. An excellent live performance.
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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

I just heard that Peter Sinfield wrote lyrics for Photos of Ghosts. 

Yes, Sinfield wrote the English lyrics for them at that time.
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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

I just heard that Peter Sinfield wrote lyrics for Photos of Ghosts.†
yes, and The World Became the World too. ELP helped them get some visibility in the US/UK, releasing those 2 albums on their Manticore label. Iíll join the others above in advising against these albums, in favor of the Italian versions. Not because itís ďcoolerĒ or because Iím a purist, it just sounds very awkward pasting a new set of lyrics on the songs. They donít flow well with the music for the most part, and the mix isnít that great.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I'm from Canada, where PFM were big in the seventies, and what we were mainly exposed to were the English language albums from that time, which I really like, and have a sentimental connection to, as they were the first RPI recordings I ever heard and loved. Photos of Ghosts, The World Became The World, Chocolate Kings, Jet Lag, and Passpartu are for me what has given me decades of listening pleasure and has stood the test of time for me quite nicely.  
        Is their later work worth it, or comparable in quality, I don't know as I have not immersed myself in any of it.
           
As am I. And yes the originals are superior in some ways, but don't discount he English versions totally. I would add Cook to the list, aka 'Live in the USA' or something like that. An excellent live performance.
I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I am not discounting the English versions in any way, quite the contrary, they are what I have counted on all these years; I am saying they are worth it the most in retrospect.
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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

I just heard that Peter Sinfield wrote lyrics for Photos of Ghosts. 
Yes that sounds more interesting than it is really. Not Sinfields most memorable lyrics as far as i can remember. I'll take the gorgeous italian versions over clumsy english copies any day.
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