The Uncarved Blog, part 1

I think.........................Eminem will be a bigger nerd in 6o years time than Rick Wakeman or even Nate Dogg

How's that!

It would mean moving all the posts in this thread individually Hugues, which would corrupt the flow of both threads.

Can you think of a better title for the thread Hugues? I don't like the current one myself.

This thread has a tricky title. "A BOOK, by Sean Trane" would have been a better name.

Thanks Ivan

sularetal wrote:   I don't agree with you. Your definition of art is "Knowing how to play a musical instrument (or sing) and how to write metaphoric lyrics and an ORIGINAL piece of music (not wanting to sound like your favorite band/artist) , regardless of whether or not it is jazz, classical or prog, IS ART." In my humble opinion art is just about expression. Art is something that is usless really (don't know really how to describe my thoughts in english, sorry). It's something that we create just because we feel like doing it. There is no real purpose (money, fame etc.). Creating a hole on the ground could be a piece of art. What you define as art is the application of previous knowledge. What does "knowing how to play a musical instrument" mean? I could play guitar hitting the chords with my foot. If something nice (either for me or the listener) came out why shouldn't be called art? Just because I didn't use the method most people used in order to express theirselves in the past?

unoriginal music shouI meant art in music. Not art in general. I just don't believe that totally unoriginal music should be considered great. I like "regressive" rock bands like Spock's Beard, because even though they are not entirely original, they do things in a creative and expressive way.

I agree that art in general is about expression. I disagree strongly that art is useless, but I respect your opinion.

If art, which you YOURSELF described as self-expression, did not exist because it is useless, we would not express ourselves, would be living unsophisticated and would not thinking of anything new or innovative. Thus, humans as a race would die out, because we would not "express" ourselves as you have mentioned.

If there was no art or self-expression as you have defined it, we would not express ourselves by creating inventions, civilizations, and we would all be ignorant or even extinct because I believe that lack of expression= lack of original thought and representation of that thought.

Nothing else on earth can think and express those thoughts toward the improvement of life like Humans can, that's why we are the most powerful beings on the planet, or perhaps the universe.

Maybe I'm being too metaphysical or over-dramatic, but I think art is essential to our survival.



Edited by MajesterX - January 14 2007 at 15:51

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I laugh when people talk about Progheads as nerds because we make a strong analysis of things, yesterday I was looking at Discovery Chanell and there was a special about the San Francisco airport police and I saw four real NERDS (Or what I know as nerds).   Four kids in their late teens/early 20's ru8nning through the airport with the same outfit (Very rap) because they had been told Eminem was thee.   Their behaviour was really obsessive, oone of them said oin a weird language similar to English: "Eminem is my Idol, he's Da MAN, he is better than anybody who has existed" and the usual "I want to be like him when I grow up".   For God's sake, I never seen a proghead running with cape in the airport because Wakeman is there, most of us like Fripp but admit the guy is a jerk, this kids had already grown up, at the age of 19 or 20 you're already a man, not saying I want yto be EMINEM when OI grow up.   At the end when they discovered Eminem was not in the airport (A clerck checked her computer, something I believe is illegal) the guys were really devastated, they all hugged each other giving mutual comfort for the tragedy, another kid said this is the worst day of my life but I know some day I will meet him and shake his hand....WHAT A LOSER.   What a bunch of real nerds, I found very few among progheads honestly.   Iván

I Agree! I really don't understand the hip-hop culture. It's as if they intentionally act with little intelligence and make themselves seem tough or cool. Then again, they could probably insult us just as easily.

I think you guys would agree with me when I say that making a beat and sample on a computer while rapping or singing about drugs, guns or sex while using the N word every 3 seconds and cursing constantly, is not art. It's not just some of the unoriginal hip-hop artists I don't really respect either. Anyone who plays music simply to become rich, because everyone else is doing it or because they want to sound like someone else, is not truly a musician.

Knowing how to play a musical instrument (or sing) and how to write metaphoric lyrics and an ORIGINAL piece of music (not wanting to sound like your favorite band/artist) , regardless of whether or not it is jazz, classical or prog, IS ART.

If you can do this, I respect you very highly, even if I may not like your music.

I laugh when people talk about Progheads as nerds because we make a strong analysis of things, yesterday I was looking at Discovery Chanell and there was a special about the San Francisco airport police and I saw four real NERDS (Or what I know as nerds).

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 13 2006 at 00:42

Dragon Phoenix wrote: sularetal wrote: . I agree with that as its easier to find nerdy people here rather than in www.music_for_the_masses.com/forum for example. OK, confession time - who else clicked on this?