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Genesis re-evaluated |
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Lewian 
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I listened to ATTWT a lot as a teen but it has worn out far more than Duke or even Abacab.
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Jared
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Posted: December 07 2021 at 15:23 |
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Very interesting post, Andy, Thank you. I enjoyed the videos!
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twosteves
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Posted: December 07 2021 at 15:58 |
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I've seen the Farm version it is great--its a great song and there are a few on this album-imagine Steve on Burning Rope-it lacks something that makes me no listen to it less often than other Genesis--Steve is solely missed ---but they come around and solve this problem.
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verslibre
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Posted: December 07 2021 at 17:28 |
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...ATTWT — one's hard-pressed to find songs better than "Down and Out" and "Deep in the Motherlode" on the subsequent albums.
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richardh
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Posted: December 07 2021 at 18:01 |
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ditto
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: December 07 2021 at 19:59 |
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Duke is up there with the band's best albums. All the others are down amongst the worst albums of Genesis.
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Posted: December 07 2021 at 20:04 |
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I haven't actually heard all these albums, but I have all the live albums, and so have heard songs from them all. Still, I'd find it difficult to vote, yet I do believe Invisible Touch isn't actually so bad. It's ABACAB the one I do rather dislike a lot.
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nick_h_nz
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 00:00 |
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I was one of two people who voted for Invisible Touch, so I would agree with you - that album really isn’t actually so bad. |
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 02:52 |
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ATTWT was the first Genesis album I heard end to end, on a cassette I hired from the local library! Down & Out made an enormous impression on me, and remains one of my favourite Genesis songs. I played it enthusiastically to my friends, and they didn't get it at all, two of them remarking that it sounded like the 'record was jumping'  I agree that the best songs on ATTWT were never bettered on subsequent albums, although Dukes Travels comes very close. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 03:32 |
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I also discovered ATTWT in a cassette format.
 Basically, apart from opening both album sides, these were by far my faves on the album (Rope has something missing to make it excellent, but it's also up there). But neither (or anything from Duke, FTM) would find space on W&W to replace the excruciatingly atrocious YOSW. They sound too different to the rest of W&W , that it would be horrible (nothing from Spot the Pigeon EP would either., though). A transitional album to say the least, I'm a little sad that it's been overlooked by the band on stage (with the exception of FYFM) ever since. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 03:44 |
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I love Burning Rope. Apparently it did start life as a longer piece, but Banks condensed it to avoid comparisons to One for the Vine, although I suspect it was more to allow for more shorter songs on the album |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 04:48 |
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mmmhhh!!!... ATTWT was an already rather long album (+/- 50 mins if memory serves), but then again they added the 4 mins of FYFM as a last minute entry. Soooo, I've always considered the three nomads ion the outer gatefold as Phil, Mike and Tony ... only one +/- looks like Phil . No matter what, I think the purplish/orange & black artwork to fit quite well the autumnal mood of ATTWT. .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 10:23 |
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 My brother from another mother! I agree with everything you just said. I first heard ...ATTWT after already knowing (and enjoying) the next few albums, via an LP-to-tape dub my friend's brother made for him. Tony's synths sounded grandiose and instantly won over this Tangerine Dream fan. "Deep in the Motherlode" blew me away. When I purchased the CD (whatever was available then), it did not sound as good as the vinyl!Edited by verslibre - December 08 2021 at 10:23 |
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 10:25 |
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No re-evaluation for me. Always loved ATTW3 over these others.
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 11:18 |
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And Then There Were Three |
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 11:25 |
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For some reason I have always loved the yellow, geometric figure album that starts out with "Mama" (a song that I have also always LOVED!) (I had the luxury of the fact that I was never opposed to/turned off by drum machines. Linn, Simmons, Roland, Synthaxe, Fairlight, MIDI--they all fascinated me!)
In their day, I liked all of these albums pretty well, but, today, the 1983 self-titled album is the only one I'll listen to, start to finish. |
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tdfloyd
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 17:46 |
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I’m an all era Genesis fan and don’t think there are any bad albums by the group. Their pop leanings were better than most pop, and they always managed to mix the prog/rock in all of their albums. The problem with the later albums is that they are not always strong all the way they. My rankings:
ATTW3 Duke Genesis IT Abacab We Can’t Dance |
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 18:10 |
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None of these albums I liked very much when I listened to them years ago.
If I remember well, Duke is the nicest one.
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Posted: December 08 2021 at 19:06 |
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Glad to see someone else shares this view. I still prefer the prog era, but their pop material still had its share of highlights as well. In fact, I wouldn't rate any of their pop albums under a 3/5 (with the exception of Calling All Stations, and even then, I think that one's over-hated as well). But if I had to pick my favorite, then I would say Invisible Touch. Normally I would have said ATTWT (and I know it is still a trio album), but I still feel as though that record is firmly in the realm of prog despite the pop leanings. There's a lot on that album that's carried over from W&W and ATOTT, and I actually think the pop elements even strengthen its emotional weight at times too. Anyway, now that I'm done rambling, here's my list: ATTWT Invisible Touch Duke S/T We Can't Dance Abacab
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Posted: December 09 2021 at 00:02 |
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If I was to rank the trio albums, it would be like this
ATTWT Duke S/T We Can't Dance Abacab Invisible Touch Abacab and WCD can be switched at times I guess.
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