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Hercules
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"but I would happily sign a petition to have them retire or make a contribution to crowd funding their assassination" Personally, I'd have done that in about 1965, to be honest.
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I may be the only one here who holds this opinion, but it's worth remembering that veteran cosmic rocker Peter Frampton showed us the way to go by recording his best album: "Frampton Forgets the Words" (2021) at the grand old age of 70.
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There's a whole world of music out there from all over the world that I still haven't heard at all. Not even once. So I focus on this checking out some band from Eastern Europe or North Africa for the first time rather than hearing the eleventh bootleg version of Set The Controls... Also I'm "into sound" in ways you aren't - which is probably why sh*tty sounding bootlegs will always by testing my patience, and have less appeal to me than they have for you. Plus I really don't like listening to audience clapping and cheering. Especially not huge crowds. I'm about as fond of that as I am listening to people chewing, slurping or lip-smacking out loud when they eat (=not fond at all). Somehow I don't mind the polite applause, and quiet chit-chatting furthest back in the soundspace on some of my favorite live jazz-albums. Guess I prefer to pretend I'm at a lively little jazzbar in ca. 1964.
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Mm-hm, it's a big step to accept an artist on their own terms. And except in a few cases, I'd agree about being present at a live show. The energy is incredible, and if the players are on that night and the sound guy knows what he/she is doing, there's nothing like it. I've had whole musical epiphanies & conversions based on seeing one great gig. |
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Remember when Pete Townsend wrote, "Hope I die before I get old?" That's kind of funny now. If the artists want to play, let them. If people want to see them play, let them. Both must understand they are no longer 21. A friend of mine saw Yes a couple of years ago with John Lodge opening. He said both were excellent. Good artists trade verve for nuance. The test already exists - the success of the performances and tours.
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It depends. Colin Blunstone became a better vocalist in his late 50s when he actually took singing lessons for the first time to improve both his power and range. When he sang with the Zombies at the RRHOF a few years ago, having just turned 72, he was was great.
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Completely agree here. While I do think there are certain artists who should hang it up at some point (looking at you, Yes), to me this cover of Behind Blue Eyes was a nice choice for the band members' ages. It actually recontextualizes the song into something sadder and more melancholic than the original tune, which Roger's now-withering voice only compliments further. And hey, let's just be glad we didn't get an updated version of the Limp Bizkit cover
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I appreciated the performance, although I would have rather heard an updated version of “My Generation”.
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Jon Anderson still sounds amazing, and Bob Fripp continues to astound.
Many musicians played well into seniority, including Andres Segovia (I saw him in concert in his 80s, he was amazing) and so forth. The artists and fans have to adapt to the passing of time. Ripples never come back.
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Really? I'm nearly 67, I see nothing at all wrong with this performance! Roger & Company aren't the kids they were at Woodstock, but neither am I. I've heard MUCH worse from far younger artists.
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^I saw Zombies live sometime during that period. Maybe the same year. They were great!
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Steve Hackett does not age . . .
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It gets embarrassing when aging rock musicians try to act like they are still 25 (The Rolling Stones), or if they try to sing the same way, but can't. But then there are also artists who have stood by their age and managed to make something genuine out of it. Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen and Johnny Cash are good examples of that. I might go as far as to say that Johnny Cash peaked in his final years.
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Completely agreed. I think one of the best examples is Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt, which wouldn't be nearly as impactful if he was younger |
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I feel somewhat ambivalent about this. Yes there are some rare cases where X artist manage to cram out something wholly unique and wondrous at the tail end of their career…but more than often I feel older artists tend to make the same album over and over again.
Scott Walker though totally proved me wrong…so did Bowie with his swan song. Then there are those who just can’t perform the way they used to…which some times give away to quite different and interesting takes…but honestly speaking? Had I paid for say..a ticket to go see Lou Reed during his latter day tours…man I would’ve been very disappointed. ‘Has he forgotten the music he wrote…or is merely trying to turn it into something that nobody can recognise? Both! Alrighty then’ Edited by Guldbamsen - April 27 2022 at 06:57 |
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Defiantly seems like something that effects vocalists more. Many of the older guys , especially the ones that sing hard rock, don't have the range they use to have.
That being said I have been pleasantly surprised on a few occasions. I saw a version of Jefferson Airplane/ Starship in the early 90's. Papa John Creach came out on stage for a few songs. He could barley walk on to the stage & I thought "this is not going to go well. " Then he raised his bow & started to play & it was pure magic! The man could barley walk but he could still play. It was the highlight of the show for me.
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John McLaughlin is 80. I'd pay to see him at any venue, any time.
Edited by cstack3 - April 27 2022 at 09:31 |
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