Canterbury bands' fascination with John Wayne? |
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SuperMetro
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Posted: June 14 2022 at 20:43 |
It seems like multiple of these kinds of prog bands like to make songs about or referencing John Wayne. Ex: All the Way (With John Wayne's Single-Handed Liberation of Paris) - Caravan, (Big) John Wayne Socks Psychology on the Jaw - Hatfield and the North, and also a lyric in Binoculars by National Health mentions John Wayne("Meanwhile John Wayne and Rip Torn are making us all yawn"). Why him and not Clint Eastwood, James Stewart, Henry Fonda, or who else I could think of. Well National Health technically is Hatfield and the North, except with a different bassist. Matching Mole is also sort of like Soft Machine, which they are aware of completely since it is a pun of Soft Machine. Soft = mol and machine is in the front. So Machin Mole is Soft Machine.
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Mirakaze
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"(Big) John Wayne" and "Binoculars" were both written by Pip Pyle; he might have just been a big fan of Wayne and his movies, and any other John Wayne references in Canterbury songs could just be part of an inside joke stemming from that.
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Sean Trane
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Wouldn't all those "winks" be more an attack than a nod (fascination)? So I'd say it was an inside joke thing more than anything. In the late 60's & 70's modern westerns were already very different than the the Wayne/Ford era of the 50's. I can easily see the hippie generation (even from Canterbury) "taking shots" at the establishment of the Hollywood pre-65 generation - when the "New Hollywood generation" started taking over. in some ways in the 70's counter-culture, Wayne & Ford was probably seen as a dinosaur.... and were part of the crowd that lost control of the studio and film-making, just as it happened when the Beatles kicked out the old geezers wearing white lab coats in the recording studios. .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Manuel
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It might have been. Would be nice to find out.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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John Wayne had a number of big movies in the 60's as was probably know as a pure Western actor versus Eastwood, Fonda, or Stewart. If you were to pick a quintessential American cowboy at that time it's probably Wayne.
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Ian
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