What’s the meaning of prog

David_D wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: David_D wrote: Actually, I don't think it's that bad to compare Prog to beanstalk.  And you got that reference too, even it was from Shine on Brightly.  Of course I did. I'm the one who said it.  Okay, then how come you said it? I thought it was because you could remember that I once wrote in a thread David_D wrote: A Neosaur asked a Progasaur: "How am I doing?" The Progasaur answered: "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 28 2023 at 16:29

David_D wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Good because if you don't then you might turn a whiter shade of pale.  Actually, I don't think it's that bad to compare Prog to beanstalk.  And you got that reference too, even it was from Shine on Brightly.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 28 2023 at 12:11

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Good because if you don't then you might turn a whiter shade of pale.

Edited by David_D - January 28 2023 at 10:07

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: David_D wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: David_D wrote: That's terrible, but what do you think about the meaning of Prog? Prog is like a beanstalk. Isn't it?    You get that reference I take it.

Jacob Schoolcraft wrote: amarthu wrote: It may seem a silly question. I’m absolutely a fan of prog music, but yesterday a comment saying ‘complex for the sake of complex’ which someone used to describe an album led me to think the meaning of prog music. My initial reason for listening to this kind of music is probably the state of tiredness of pop music, which has a quite fixed pattern. I like new sounds. But is complexity really needed to express a particular thing? It's a fact that Prog is drawn from ..or created from other styles of music. It's mainly notable that Progressive Rock is influenced by Classical and Jazz , however its also influenced by Latin, African, Egyptian as well. ..in the sense that the essence of music derived from ancient cultures is often used in Progressive Rock to create an atmosphere. Interestingly all the styles I've mentioned can be complex or gymnastic to play. In some cases they are not, but in most cases they are. They require skill and precision to play . To an extent..it's much easier to play Rock , but once Rock is combined with the aforementioned it can become complex. Certain embellishments and or phrasing..for example music from India contains intense phrasing...people tend to believe its Rock guitar phrasing. It isn't. It's scales or modes played as lines during improvisation that were created in India centuries ago and then fused with Rock in our lifetime. It's complexity is natural to occur in Progressive Rock. I honestly believe that's the cause , gain, or interest in the music of Prog Rock and it's sub genre's.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: David_D wrote: That's terrible, but what do you think about the meaning of Prog? Prog is like a beanstalk. Isn't it?

Edited by David_D - January 27 2023 at 01:39

amarthu wrote: It may seem a silly question. I’m absolutely a fan of prog music, but yesterday a comment saying ‘complex for the sake of complex’ which someone used to describe an album led me to think the meaning of prog music. My initial reason for listening to this kind of music is probably the state of tiredness of pop music, which has a quite fixed pattern. I like new sounds. But is complexity really needed to express a particular thing?

It's a fact that Prog is drawn from ..or created from other styles of music. It's mainly notable that Progressive Rock is influenced by Classical and Jazz , however its also influenced by Latin, African, Egyptian as well. ..in the sense that the essence of music derived from ancient cultures is often used in Progressive Rock to create an atmosphere. Interestingly all the styles I've mentioned can be complex or gymnastic to play. In some cases they are not, but in most cases they are. They require skill and precision to play . To an extent..it's much easier to play Rock , but once Rock is combined with the aforementioned it can become complex. Certain embellishments and or phrasing..for example music from India contains intense phrasing...people tend to believe its Rock guitar phrasing. It isn't. It's scales or modes played as lines during improvisation that were created in India centuries ago and then fused with Rock in our lifetime. It's complexity is natural to occur in Progressive Rock. I honestly believe that's the cause , gain, or interest in the music of Prog Rock and it's sub genre's.

David_D wrote: About Avant-Prog I'd say, RIO and some else of it has very good ideology, but Avant-Prog as a whole and the way PA defines it, that is minus Zeuhl, stylistically speaking is surely mostly for feinschmeckers.

Argentinfonico wrote: I recently came up with a phrase that I think perfectly describes progressive rock: "When the musician makes the rules, it's progressive rock. When the rules make the musician, then you can be 99% sure it's not progressive rock". ...

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Exactly. But the weird thing (and my main point) was that he was a fan early Genesis but apparently never heard the term prog. What does he think  it is? Classic rock? Classic rock radio only plays the later Genesis. Not the earlier stuff. Maybe very rarely something like Squonk or the title track to lamb (maybe) but for the most part only follow you follow me and later.