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Jared
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I wonder if this gentleman owns a passport?
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Either that or he studied international relations.
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David_D
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I pardon these gentlemen that this gentleman doesn't find anything funny or to be critical about here. It may easy be some misunderstanding or different use of words. Or am I too silly? |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Cristi
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Prog and Prague may sound similar to a non-native English speaker.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Aren't they pronounced the same way?
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Cristi
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well then, you understand his confusion.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Exactly. But the weird thing (and my main point) was that he was a fan early Genesis but apparently never heard the term prog. What does he think it is? Classic rock? Classic rock radio only plays the later Genesis. Not the earlier stuff. Maybe very rarely something like Squonk or the title track to lamb (maybe) but for the most part only follow you follow me and later.
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Argentinfonico
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I recently came up with a phrase that I think perfectly describes progressive rock: "When the musician makes the rules, it's progressive rock. When the rules make the musician, then you can be 99% sure it's not progressive rock". I think progressive rock has the meaning of "enlightening". To urge people to think for themselves and to see beyond not just a song but life itself (otherwise what's the point of art?). Just look at the best albums of the sub-genre. In them you will find theatre, philosophy, architecture, instant and gradual evolution, atmospheres, laughter and tears. You will find a percentage of life that is not usually found in other types of music. You will find an existential greatness that will leave you face first time you listen to it. You will find divine inspiration.
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Yes. I'm sure the answer is 42.
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David_D
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An example of the best meaning of Prog to me and not bad Metal, either. Edited by David_D - January 26 2023 at 04:05 |
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David_D
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That's terrible, but what do you think about the meaning of Prog?
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That's brilliant, thank you.
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Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen
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moshkito
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Hi, I like this ... and the sad thing is that many "fans" here do not seem to appreciate this, and will go gagagoogoo over a rehash by a well known band, specially when there really is nothing in it "making any rules". This is one of the reasons why the new PT, or even the JT song, are not that great for me ... they are not making any rules ... they are simply following a tried and true bit of success ... even with sounds that had been used before to "remind us" of the good stuff. I would also like to improve that line so it would say something about a song ... if you are making the rules, it isn't exactly a song --SINCE YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING ANYTHING! -- and this has been one of my pet peeves ... the majority of stuff today, is all "songs" and the talent tree is getting washed away by a commerciality that needs to die, although some folks here don't want it to die ... how easy, and how soon, they forget what got "progressive" started in the first place! The irony, is ... ghastly!
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About Avant-Prog I'd say, RIO and some else of it has very good ideology, but Avant-Prog as a whole and the way PA defines it, that is minus Zeuhl, stylistically speaking is surely mostly for feinschmeckers. Edited by David_D - January 26 2023 at 08:12 |
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moshkito
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Hi, Yeah, no and maybe. I, personally, do not quite listen to "Zeuhl" that much.. I find it too much a copy, but that might just be my ears. I can put on Carmina Burana and all of a sudden Magma sounds great. But, in Europe, there is a lot of music that comes from the higher levels of education in music and some of those folks end putting together things that sometimes ... are not for my ears ... but it took me a while to enjoy Henry Cow, Dagmar, and many of those folks way back when ... it was so much the Universitarian style of music creation for my ears ... and this is something that you don't see a whole lot here in America, since it looks like folks don't go for the art of it as much as they do for their ability to gain either an audience or money from it. As to it being considered "progressive", I have my doubts, but I don't like to suggest that one thing is this and the other is not. I prefer to stick with the "origin" of the music itself and the artist, something that takes away the comparison and the comments by others, specially when they hear a "sound" that is like someone else's. Reminds me of the early days, when people thought that Banco, PFM and le Orme sounded like ELP ... and that is a case of the worst plugged up ears ever. Edited by moshkito - January 26 2023 at 09:14 |
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David_D
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But I've noticed that some of the "feinschmeckers" can be fond of some poppish stuff, as well.
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It's a fact that Prog is drawn from ..or created from other styles of music. It's mainly notable that Progressive Rock is influenced by Classical and Jazz , however its also influenced by Latin, African, Egyptian as well. ..in the sense that the essence of music derived from ancient cultures is often used in Progressive Rock to create an atmosphere. Interestingly all the styles I've mentioned can be complex or gymnastic to play. In some cases they are not, but in most cases they are. They require skill and precision to play . To an extent..it's much easier to play Rock , but once Rock is combined with the aforementioned it can become complex. Certain embellishments and or phrasing..for example music from India contains intense phrasing...people tend to believe its Rock guitar phrasing. It isn't. It's scales or modes played as lines during improvisation that were created in India centuries ago and then fused with Rock in our lifetime. It's complexity is natural to occur in Progressive Rock. I honestly believe that's the cause , gain, or interest in the music of Prog Rock and it's sub genre's. |
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Prog is like a beanstalk. Isn't it?
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 26 2023 at 22:10 |
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Edited by David_D - January 27 2023 at 01:39 |
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David_D
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What do I mean? Here are some lyrics: Voivod - "Pre-Ignition" (excerpt) Hey you Tell me, what's your call name Closed negative display Engaged on section three The acrid factories You Putrid perfect product Proper platinum parts Proficient prototypes Steadily spew from these pipes Are you Generated by waste Arid quarry displaced Environmental squeeze Aluminum disease You from the album Nothingface (1989)
Edited by David_D - January 27 2023 at 02:06 |
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