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I've enjoyed the track (especially vocal) remover/isolator. I'm a musician. I play real instruments, but I can't stand my voice, can't find musicians, and I've thought about using AI instead, but have looked for some of my favorite singers singing my favorite songs by other bands as long as it matched. Edited by MortSahlFan - July 05 2023 at 07:40 |
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Dapper~Blueberries
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I think someone using Ai to compose prog would be the worst thing ever. I love music and art when it has a human component in it. Even when it is bad, I can still at least respect it. AI art and music are not human, and thus I feel nothing but discontent towards (also because a lot of AI art uses art from people on the internet which is basically just stealing so that is also a net negative for AI art) I rather listen to Love Beach a thousand and one times before I will say anything good about AI art.
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Gerinski
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We have to be careful with using the term AI. Nowadays it is becoming used for anything which is actually nothing more than a set of complex algorithms, for example I read about TV manufacturers saying that "the image is improved by AI", and I think that's rather BS.
True AI is that which can learn more and more by itself. As long as you keep providing it more and more data it will learn and develop further by itself.
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In the end, and this is the most scary, it will be very difficult to believe any musician about the originality of his/her work... It must have been written by the musician or will have used A.I.?
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Interesting bit of reading.....
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UnderGround
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Samplers and mellotron(for the musicians) its not the same threat as AI(for the most of art forms) and we will understand it better in the future... I wish, from the bottom of my heart, i am wrong...
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I had the same thought and got an AI art generator to create album covers of 'man on rock outcrop on star filled night in style of Roger Dean' they weren't too bad. |
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I support the use of AI in the creative process. It is a great way to generate new ideas.
Jimmy Page once said that he would tune his guitars to different odd tunings just to generate new musical ideas. I've done that also. It is very powerful. AI is similar. As a teacher, I haven't dealt with a tool like ChatGPT yet. Instead of hoping my students would NOT use that platform, I would assign them to complete a paper using ChatGPT, then hand-write the answer, analyze the facts and improve it with their thinking skills. I'll do that someday. Musical tools like Mellotron were once feared and reviled by traditional orchestra musicians, who saw the device as a threat. Bah. If anything, classical music is more popular and accepted now.
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I did mean personality too in my thinking.
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It will but it probably won't have a personality IMHO.
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Maybe AI will be able to create prog-like music - but will it have any passion?
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I think you are correct. I've messed around on ChatGPT to help me write some technical articles, it is amazing how powerful it is (and it is still primitive). However, I still think the salvation is reasonably-priced live music. This cannot be replaced easily with AI (they can try with recordings, holographs etc. I don't think the public will respond to this as well as seeing a true artist making music. Years ago, I played as bassist to one of Bob Fripp's first Guitar Craft students, Lon Jones. Lon just loved to play & perform, and Tulsa OK was seething with progressive artists, so I played at a number of venues, for crowds up to a thousand or more. Never made a dime on it, didn't care. Musicians of the world, don't quit your day job. |
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A long time ago, I read something about using random noise to generate musical data. It said that a pink noise distribution is the optimum for creating interesting music. White noise creates music that is too erratic, and brown noise creates music that is too dull. |
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I used A.I. once for a couple of images for a lyric video... That's the end for me. I will pay a professional for Forbidden Myth's artwork for the next album and i will continue write the music and lyrics. And i will continue to collaborate with other musicians... I believe that A.I. will destroy many of the fields of creativity and it's a shame that so many professionals will lose their jobs...
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Music is created in the ear of the listener. We may have emotions when listening that have not been put into the music by the composers, and we may feel something also when listening to AI generated music. When I was at school we had a very innovative computer class, and as a project I coded a "solo generator" that would just play random notes on a scale with random length but some side conditions respecting the rhythm and some musical "rules" that made it slightly less terrible. It didn't shake the world of music to the core to be honest, but that was in 1985 or so. With today's possibilities it should be possible to do a far better job.
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Hi,
There was, many years ago, in California, one place that had music composed artificially by a computer, and they ended up presenting it to the public and just about no one else knew the piece or who the composer was. In the end, it wasn't until the folks found out that the music was done by a computer, that folks decided they didn't like it. The funny thing was that the music was actually very nice and very good, all things considered, but the element that hurt was the fact that we were "deceived" ... and I think that reaction naïve and very bizarre, simply because someone did not hear a few things they liked or were comfortable with. New music, of any kind, will always be hated ... for many good reasons, but also for many wrong reasons. I imagine the same thing will happen again .... and again ... and again .. and again.
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