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Two 'technical prog' epics from 1974.
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Poll Question: Which one do you like better?
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    Posted: May 04 2024 at 04:22
It's nice to see that Utopia performed "The Ikon" in its entirety in the twenty-first century, even if one missed the third keyboardist. This is still an incredible rendition of one of the best-ever prog tunes.
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I'm going with Genesis or Focus. LOL
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Going with "The Ikon"!
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The Gates of Delirium
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Absolutely love "The Ikon" and I even have the LP, but Delirium is a pure classic that I used to wear out. Had to go with 'Yes' on this one. 
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^Agree. The Ikon is a masterpiece.
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One of the few times I'm not voting for Yes, specially from that era. Utopia is really a master piece.
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I shamelessly voted for "Ikon". IMO it's one of the best prog epics ever made (no matter if American or not) in terms of production, performance and composition. The vocal sections are incredibly well distributed in contrast to the instrumental breakdowns! I've heard a few stellar 20+ minute prog songs in which the balance between proggy instrumental parts and "song" sections doesn't flow with as much elegance as displayed on "Ikon".

Granted, it's longer than "Gates" and there is a lot of obvious padding that could've easily been left upon the cutting room floor, but when the track picks up the pace, it goes to the levels of songwriting and musicianship excellence never reached by Yes throughtout their entire career.

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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

The Ikon (and that album in general) is alright, but to me, it just sounds like Todd (chameleon that he is) wanted to play prog for a bit and took all the cliches of the genre at the time and spat out this track.
Todd Rundgren was unquestionably a genre chameleon, yet he approached each genre he got into with honesty and thoroughness. This can be concluded from the fact that not only did Rundgren mastermind two of the best prog-rock albums ever released in the United States with the Utopia debut in 1974 and "Ra," but he also did a fantastic job producing Steve Hillage's album "L" from 1976, on which the Utopia lineup at the time served as Hillage's backup band. We can probably argue that "L" is one of the greatest albums in the genre released by a solo artist and certainly the best-produced Hillage's record.
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Yes - The Gates of Delirium
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The Ikon (and that album in general) is alright, but to me, it just sounds like Todd (chameleon that he is) wanted to play prog for a bit and took all the cliches of the genre at the time and spat out this track.
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OMG... The Ikon... by 1000x more sing-able miles.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Moyan Moyan wrote:

(photos of Yes and Todd Rundgren's Utopia)
The Utopia picture (bottom) is from the Ra era - completely different lineup (except for Todd Rundgren) from the one that'd recorded the debut. I did a bit of research and from what I've read, the Ra lineup never performed The Ikon in its entirety live. xD
Of course. By the way, a concert shot with most of the line-up that recorded the Utopia 1974 debut album can be seen on its back cover. I only put up the Utopia Ra tour image for fun and decoration; I always loved how it looked, and it seems to flow nicely with the Yes' Crab Nebula Stage Smile




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As much as I love Gates... I love The Ikon more
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I like both, Gates is my choice
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Moyan Moyan wrote:

(photos of Yes and Todd Rundgren's Utopia)
The Utopia picture (bottom) is from the Ra era - completely different lineup (except for Todd Rundgren) from the one that'd recorded the debut. I did a bit of research and from what I've read, the Ra lineup never performed The Ikon in its entirety live. xD

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Originally posted by Moyan Moyan wrote:

(photos of Yes and Todd Rundgren's Utopia)
The Utopia picture (bottom) is from the Ra era - completely different lineup (except for Todd Rundgren) from the one that'd recorded the debut. I did a bit of research and from what I've read, the Ra lineup never performed The Ikon in its entirety live. xD
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