Best music style ever: Punk!!!

I like punk.

Fantômas wrote: The Miracle wrote: Fantômas wrote: And, The Miracle, shame on you! Sorry, can't help it But I do like Patton after all! Yeah, neither do I. I believe that the same love you have for prog, I have for punk...  Yeah, if you didn't like Patton I would kill you.

Yeah. I do have a love for prog. And so do you, to a certain extent, so I can forgive you punk

I couldn't stand Patton for a while But then got into it... along with Beefheart.

Fantômas wrote: With this I have to agree. Emo is the worst piece of crap genre EVER. These days Punk is REALLY screwed, which is a shame (prog rock 'got old' much better). Someday, I hope, it will return to the glory that was in the late 70's and early 80's.

What's emo got to do with these days? It's the sh*tty pseudo-emo that you need to worry about.

goose wrote: Fantômas wrote: With this I have to agree. Emo is the worst piece of crap genre EVER. These days Punk is REALLY screwed, which is a shame (prog rock 'got old' much better). Someday, I hope, it will return to the glory that was in the late 70's and early 80's. What's emo got to do with these days? It's the sh*tty pseudo-emo that you need to worry about.

I meant that emo is naturally a 'not-so-good' division of punk to my ears. Pseudo-emo I won't even comment.
And, today you don't have the glory that happened in early 80's, but you do have good bands (both statements didn't get anything to do with each other).

Good Charlotte, to me, it's a Backstreet Boys with guitars. But, at least, Backstreet Boys has cheesy funny video-clips. 

The Miracle wrote: All those emo kids claim to be "true punks", when they don't even know what the term "punk" really means! And they're extremely proud of it. I'm sick of seeing them all around Seriously, what do Good Charlotte or Fall out boy have to do with punk? they're no better than Backstreet boys if you ask me...

I don't know where to start correcting you .

One, Good Charlotte and the like are not emo, they're manufactured pop-punk created by big record companies specifically for the ignorant. I don't think anybody actually thinks they're a punk band (save for 12 year old girls), but regardless, they're really not associated with punk or emo at all.

Secondly, Emo, as much as I dislike it, is indeed a legitimate genre. However, like most genres, you'll only hear the good bands if you specifically seek them out; if you're not a big fan of the genre, you probably haven't heard "real" emo. Same thing goes for punk. The fact that you've only referenced mainstream artists like Good Charlotte, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones, and so on gives a pretty good indication that you haven't delved very deep into the realm of punk music and therefore can't accurately judge it.

Something that really annoys me is the way you keep talking about how prog is fundamentally better than punk and we're "going from the top to the bottom" or whatever it was you said. This only proves the notion that you don't understand punk at all; it's not about complexity, and to judge it by the same criteria that you would judge prog would just be ignorant. Nobody listens to punk expecting it to be highly technical music; no punk band would make that kind of music, because that's not what it's about.

The bottom line: live and let live. If you don't like punk music, fine (although, to be fair, you haven't heard very much actual punk music, so it's kind of difficult for you to tell if you would like it or not). There's really no reason to bash it though, especially when you don't understand it and only know the most mainstream punk artists. It's the equivalent of somebody coming here and  ranting about how prog sucks because all they've heard is Owner of a Lonely Heart and We Can't Dance; it's just ignorant, and all it does is create even more ignorance.

Pug?

I have three favourite genres,  progressive rock, Swedish progg and punk. In my mind, the genres are more closely related than many fans on  either side seems to be willing to admit. I've read that punk is the successor of progressive rock, a genre that developed partly as a protest against the pretentiousness of progressive rock and other alike genres. Just as progressive rock was sometimes frowned upon by those who listened to "real" music (example: ELP's "Pictures at an exhibition". Some classic music lovers found it horrendous and insulting that someone could do that to Mussorgsky), punk seems to be frowned upon by progressive rock fans because of it's simplicity, crappy musicians etc. Myself, I find some progressive rock sounding very alike punk, in my ears, both in terms of lyrics and music. Genesis, for example, did, in my mind, often have quite a punk-ish sound until Gabriel left. 
 Sometimes when you play progressive rock for someone and they feel a strong dislike for it, you'll say "it something one has to learn to listen too, it's very complex". It was the same for me when I started to listen to punk. At first, I couldn't relate to it at all, found it to be all "screams and noises" but that has now changed, and I listen to a lot of Swedish punk, a genre that is still quite alive and kicking, even though most of the good bands is no more (Radioaktiva räker, Imperiet, DLK etc). The lyrics are often much more political and the music harder than in most of what I've heard of American punk (exception: Anti-flag) but above all, real Swedish punk bands are still very underground, uncommercialised, and tehey will stay that way. They don't care about being politically correct, they don't care about what's "real punk" and what's not.  They just play their music.

Bands I can recommend are:
Strebers/Dia Psalma
Radioaktiva Räker
Coca Carola
Skumdum
Mimikry
Lastkaj 14
Anti-flag (only ones who sings in English)
DLK
MID
KSMB

BleedingGum wrote: I used to like Sex Pistols though.... I still have some of their LPs: Nevermind the Bollocks .. Here 's the Sex Pistols and Rock'n'Roll Swindle. Haha..What would it be if Johnnie Rotten joins King Crimson or Flower Kings.

 

The is a strong and long held rumour that Johnny Rotten tried for the lead singer  position of Can at one time!

UncleMeat wrote: A son of a neighbour of mine works in a punkbar sometimes. He likes punk, looks like a punk, plays in a punk/emo or whatever type of band, but he also likes Frank Zappa. Sometimes he plays Zappa music in the punkbar. The crowd then shouts: this is not a school of music. Some of you proggers out there are as narrow minded as some punk-rockers, classical music lovers or whatever. There is only good and bad music. Besides a lot of Prog music there is so much more to like: Sex Pistols, J.S. Bach, Cornelis Vreeswijk, Black Eyed Peas, Van Morrisson etc. Punk music started when I was young (12) and in those years I hated it. It was not until I was older that I started to like 'simple' music, played by musicians that maybe are not as technically skilled as a lot of prog musicians but are able to put a lot of energy and / or humour in short tunes. After a bad day at the office I will not put a Prog CD in the car stereo, but my mix of clash/undertones/sex pistols / moterhead.

 

Agreed. I'm sure Never Mind The Bollocks was actually a predictive reference to the narrow minded comments made above. A real prog fan is open to any form of music. And any musician goes through the simple stages of learning of music and two or three chords - great musicians are not spontaeously formed. And as ever, explain why Fripp, Hillage, Hammill and other have been very happy to play with punk musicians - and indeed Pete Townshend, Allan Holdsworth with hip hop musicians.................