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DallasBryan 
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 Posted: December 05 2005 at 01:53 |
 Progger wrote:
Jester Crimson would have been
a more appropriate name. They were never King's
and probably the most overated band in the annuls
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The first time I saw King Crimson it was on their Red Tour. They played backup to Ten Years After and Robin Trower opened the show. This was when Yes, ELP and Jethro Tull were all headliner bands. Robin Trower had just released Bridge of Sighs and was a GREAT Opening Act! KC played next and it was really good. Ten Years After of course BLEW EVERYBODY AWAY! Even at their peak KC was but a great second band, ala Blue Oyster Cult and the like, almost but not quite the cats meow! 
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 03:43 |
well i would say that King Crimson is awfull and they have only got one album that is even listenable 
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rockandrail
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:16 |
As long a KC was the name of a band led by Robert Fripp yet full of personal influences from the numerous other musicians who participated, it was a great progressive band.
With this respect, both periods I (from ITCOTCK to Islands) and Period II (From Larks Tongues to Red) are outstanding.
Unfortunately when "King Crimson" turned to be just antother way to pronounce "Robert Fripp", He Himself and Noone Else, it started to be atrociously boring, hollow, dispensable and quite unlistenable. So are the -not progressive-not interesting- albums of the early eighties trilogy and the poor following stuff. (with the very exception of Thrack which, without the glassbreaking, chainsawlike, robotomized voice of Mr.Belew could have been a more than good album)
Should Mr. Fripp not have called these "efforts" "King Crimson" and only resurrect the name for sales purpose, would I perhaps have been more positive about them.
As a conclusion, KC may deserve some King's Crown for their work up to Red. Then Mr. Fripp turned to become some sort of the life president of a banana republic while KC was the name of it's dummy parliament.
You'd better support bands like Radiohead, Muse, Mercury Rev, dEUS or the Arcade Fire than keeping playing Mr. Fripp's boring game.
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Jeremy Bender
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:42 |
Yes they are absolute the kings of prog:
*arguably the first real progband
*always challenging music
*always great musicianship
*they never sold out
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Phil
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:50 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
well i would say that King Crimson is awfull and they have only got one album that is even listenable |
s'funny, that's what maidenrulez used to say.....
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Phil
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:53 |
Jeremy Bender wrote:
Yes they are absolute the kings of prog:
*arguably the first real progband
*always challenging music
*always great musicianship
*they never sold out
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Jeremy, you are spot on in your assessment. 
They have never sold out unlike so many others, and their music is
always challenging, in whatever incarnation they have appeared.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 06:20 |
Phil wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
well i would say that King Crimson is awfull and they have only got one album that is even listenable |
s'funny, that's what maidenrulez used to say.....
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Just to clear this out maidenrulez used the account for about 100 posts and then i took over and later changed the account to Lindsay Lohan!
And the fact that they did not sell out was perhaps because of their inability of writing interesting music
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Baza
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 07:07 |
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For me, they are definately the kings of prog, in the 69-74 period they were much better than any other prog band, and since their comeback in 80' they made some good progressive music, while other big prog bands made awful pop or just disappeared. "Yes" maybe were more popular that KC, but for me they are not even in the same league as Fripp and Co.
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zoviet
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 07:11 |
I'm currently gettin into KC...always had ITCOFTCK and Larks' Tongues in the collection but nvr really got into them but recently took em out played em and BANG! hooked as hell.......just got myself Thrak and have ordered The Great Deceiver boxset and Thrakattak.
Actually i realised i'm more into the improv side of KC and apparently this is best realised on their live works. So besides the above 2 any others i shld try?
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Progger
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 07:14 |
rockandrail wrote:
Should Mr. Fripp not have called these "efforts" "King Crimson" and only resurrect the name for sales purpose, would I perhaps have been more positive about them.
As a conclusion, KC may deserve some King's Crown for their work up to Red. Then Mr. Fripp turned to become some sort of the life president of a banana republic while KC was the name of it's dummy parliament.
You'd better support bands like Radiohead, Muse, Mercury Rev, dEUS or the Arcade Fire than keeping playing Mr. Fripp's boring game.
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This post hits the nail! Fripp was never a profilic writer and there hasn't been one in KC since Wetton left. There is no way Fripp could sell out because he couldn't write a memorable melody if his life depended on it.
Now playing as a support artist to acts who can't sell 500 tickets and getting heckled in the process!Fripp has finally got his come-uppance!
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chopper
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 08:26 |
"There is no way Fripp could sell out because he couldn't write a memorable melody if his life depended on it."
That's an interesting point Progger, I do find that KC are a bit lacking in that department. Instrumentally they have few equals but to me their slower "melodic" numbers let them down a bit. I do admire them/Mr Fripp for sticking to their/his guns and continuing to make "progressive" music.
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 08:48 |
Progger wrote:
There is no way Fripp could sell out because he couldn't write a memorable melody if his life depended on it. |
You don't think "In the Court of the Crimson King" (song) is memorable?
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BebieM
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 11:36 |
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They're one of the great three (Yes and Genesis being the other), absolutely mindblowing.
But don't keep on praising them because of them not selling out, after
all it's the great music a band has done that counts and not the bad
one they made afterwards! (genesis, yes)
Argue with their peak efforts not with the fact that they remained proggers throughout the years!
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Someo Therguy
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 11:43 |
being a drummer and Chapman Stick player, I'm not impressed by the comments I've been reading in this thread.
I hear a lot of derision cast on the King Crimson of the 80s, but I think a point needs to be made regarding their influence and contribution to Prog during that particularly abysmal period in the world of music.
The contrapuntal and polyrithmic guitar style that Fripp pioneered was a breath of fresh air after so many 70s guitar gods had inundated us with brainless six string yodeling (only to be bested by the 80s more technologically advanced guitar yodeling).
Bill Brufords reworking of the drumset into an electro/acoustic/ethnic percussion batterie was an inspiration to me.
And that band introduced the world to the Chapman Stick and Tony Levin.
Modern Progsters like Tool, Gordian Knot, and Mike Keneally all tip their hat to king crimson.
Hooray for King Crimson, Hooray!
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chopper
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 11:45 |
stonebeard wrote:
Progger wrote:
There is no way Fripp could sell out because he couldn't write a memorable melody if his life depended on it. |
You don't think "In the Court of the Crimson King" (song) is memorable?
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Maybe Greg Lake wrote the melody?
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Phil
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 11:47 |
Someo Therguy wrote:
being a drummer and Chapman Stick player, I'm not impressed by the comments I've been reading in this thread.
I hear a lot of derision cast on the King Crimson of the 80s, but I
think a point needs to be made regarding their influence and
contribution to Prog during that particularly abysmal period in the
world of music.
The contrapuntal and polyrithmic guitar style that Fripp pioneered
was a breath of fresh air after so many 70s guitar gods had inundated
us with brainless six string yodeling (only to be bested by the
80s more technologically advanced guitar yodeling).
Bill Brufords reworking of the drumset into an electro/acoustic/ethnic percussion batterie was an inspiration to me.
And that band introduced the world to the Chapman Stick and Tony Levin.
Modern Progsters like Tool, Gordian Knot, and Mike Keneally all tip their hat to king crimson.
Hooray for King Crimson, Hooray! |
Discipline was an excellent album (and I saw them '81 at the Marquee
too, great!). The music is still great now - The Power to Believe is
1st rate IMHO.
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Dr. Diper
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 11:47 |
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Jethro Tull sucks at flute.
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My avatar is the vocalist of glam rock/brit pop band Suede (aka the London Suede in USA). They were once good before the guitarist left the band. Albums to hear: self titled debut and 'Dog Man Star.'
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Cygnus
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 11:55 |
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What I like with the "Kings" is that they are exactly what I call prog. They have realy inteligent music parts and they don't put all the weight in virtuosity.
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Someo Therguy
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 12:00 |
Phil wrote:
Discipline was an excellent album (and I saw them '81 at the Marquee too, great!). The music is still great now - The Power to Believe is 1st rate IMHO.
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Amen, I saw the Power to Believe tour last year and thought it was fantastic. Trey Gunn played a gorgeous solo on Warr guitar at the end of the show.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 13:18 |
chopper wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Progger wrote:
There is no way Fripp could sell
out because he couldn't write a memorable melody if
his life depended on it. |
You don't think "In the Court of the Crimson King"
(song) is memorable?
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Maybe Greg Lake wrote the melody? |
I think peak period Brand X 76-77 (Unorthodox Behavior and Moroccan Roll) equals KC's peak period 73-74(Lark's Tongue and Red), after Greg Lake split. For KC's to have been great Greg and Robert would have had to been on the same page. Roberts not that smart or revolutionary. Robert was always pushing for something avant garde at the expense of melody, kinda your kid brother on the drumkit. What the ......is he trying to do! Robert had mental defencies, interesting those that are drawn to the noise.  Many other schitzo bands abounded in europe as early as KC and needed no influence from KC to make their music. Magma and Komintern from France, Franco Battiato and Area from Italy, Can, Xhol Caravan and Amon Duul 2 from Germany to name a few. KC's influences are much less than hyped, even the Canterbury scene was only the English fusion version of a movement that started in and around Switzerland in the early to mid 60's. Many other offshoots existed thoughout europe, equally as important. 
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