The Dillinger Escape Plan

Manunkind wrote: Goose, it's the first time I've seen you get emotional about a band. Goose is a DEP fanboy, Goose is a DEP fanboy, Goose is... sorry Ahem. I think Slipperfink's summed it all up well - you don't have to like their image etc. but they sure know their way around the instruments. Especially Chris Pennie, the drummer and nut.  I really enjoy them for the most part. And that metal versus hxc thing is in my "Most ridiculous" top 20.

I'm not even that into DEP compared to some other bands . I'm sure I've said equally happy things about Kayo Dot or King Crimson in the past, and thought them about TMV and Soft Machine, Fantomas, Cynic and Gentle Giant among others (just couldn't bring myself to write it, I guess )

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Goose, it's the first time I've seen you get emotional about a band.

Goose is a DEP fanboy, Goose is a DEP fanboy, Goose is... sorry

Ahem. I think Slipperfink's summed it all up well - you don't have to like their image etc. but they sure know their way around the instruments. Especially Chris Pennie, the drummer and nut.  I really enjoy them for the most part.

And that metal versus hxc thing is in my "Most ridiculous" top 20.

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goose wrote: Nyko wrote: I can't stand anything-core. How do you know they were atrocious, then?

    I understand what you are meaning by that, but it is a bit ridiculous. If I can't stand metalcore then I would most likeyl find many metalcore acts to be atrocious. "Atrocious", being a very opinionative and subjective words, could be applied to anything that is bad to me, despite any variables, circumstances, prenotions, or genre classification.
    On to what I think you meant. I have a bandmate that likes a lot of metalcore, so I hear a lot more of it than I would like to. Having that said, it isn't as good as some of the metalcore I have listened to that had some merit. I think DEP may be technical talented SOMEWHAT, but without ways to apply that correctly it doesn't mean very much. Hats off to them for learning their instruments better than many core bands, but they aren't really much better in the way of music. The music I listen must have melody, no matter how hard it is, and DEP seems to ignore that for energy. The show was terrible in ways of showmanship. Although going out on a limb to be entertaining is good in most cases, as not to stand their playing in a boring fashion (Dream Theater and Opeth, bands that I like), they sacrificed the musical quality, proving to be even worse than what I have heard from studio.
    I wouldn't care so much if this band did not leave such a negative impression on me and then I go to see it winding up in the archives. No, I am not fighting to have them removed or anything like that, it doesn't bother me, I just saw the chance to voice my opinion on that. I feel so much more art in Opeth's music, and that is a key quality to me, something that I look for (although it can transcend into pretentiousness.) I do not, however, like the direction that Opeth is heading, but even if they continued in this path, sold-out, cut their hair and hooked up with bob rock, I would take them over DEP.

thanks man! i try my best...

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this forums getting a little out of control!  lol. well people here seem pretty angry and/or are extremely opinionated so ill try not to get torn appart by said angry people... i (who like Opeth very much) find Dillenger Escape Plan close to unlistenable... though i do not discount their musical ability by any means. talented they may be, but they dont fully bring it together. The vocals are the biggest let down and the biggest problem i have with this "metal-core" band and extreme lack of melody also runs rampant throughout their albums. I also find that their songs start to sound the same  when listened to more than, oh say zero times IMVHO. now that might not be the same for you but i cant take much more than one song till im pummeled to the ground with my ears bleeding... wow turns out i was pretty opionated too... please dont hurt me ...

edit: ps   technical execution should NOT be the only requirement that gets a band classified as "progressive" i know of some EXTREMELY talented musicians who are not by any stretch prog. If technical ability is all that gets a band on the prog bus... then i dont believe they should have the honor of calling themselves "prog". (and no im not saying the DEP doesnt combine some weird time sig.s or anything like that... but come on) ill save any other anti-DEP thoughts for another forum and try to stay passive. 

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King of Loss wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: xjester wrote: HeirToRuin wrote: King of Loss wrote: Oh man... Talk about a BAD LIVE BAND! I was at the Boston date when the guitarist flew into the drumset and broke his arm!  Its good that their tour ended there! Anyways, I thought Megadeth was also very bad live. The whole band sucked. Dillenger Escape had nothing but contempt for the audience.  The screamer (I have trouble calling him a vocalist) threw a bottle of water at the sound technicians in the back and ended up hitting the sound board.  The technicians promptly walked his ass on stage during their set and apparently bitched the guy out.  It's funny how the venue wouldn't let the fans take bottles into the arena for that very reason.  Moreover, 30 minutes of slinging your guitar around like a gorilla is quite tired and played out.  It only serves the purpose to distract (although not very well) the audience from having to simply listen to their well-executed noise.  Any interesting parts the band played during any song was quickly ruined by more random crap and nonsensical screaming.  Telling the audience "you need to grow up and get out of your parents basements" didn't really do much to raise my opinion of them either. I was actually looking forward to seeing them since I never bothered to listen to their studio albums.  Even Bobaflex was more interesting. HAHAHA! bobaflex was gay as hell! and as for DEP, i have to agree with the statement that was made earlier.  I wouldmuch rather see people who dont move much  than see idots who can barely play their instruments jump around like morons. Beleive it or not, the guitarist (wearing short shorts) was juping around, and hit the guy with a mic ( i guess youd call him a vocalist...) in the back of the head!! Now, they may jump around like morons, but they are very talented musicians. Yes they are, but they still suck live. I don't like my musicians to jump around and act like a bunch of monkeys.

Neither do I.

Moatilliatta wrote: Rashikal wrote: they have much more live energy than dream theater, 40 minutes of john petrucci staring at his strings  DEP > DT I think performance quality overrules energy. John Myung is a fricking statue the entire set, but I never get bored watching him play. DEP has a ton of followers in the hardcore scenes, and those seem to be the fans that they gear their live show towards, though they usually bring along a lot more interesting group of bands on tour with them.

They surely didn't belong there. They were a Hardcore band in a middle of a Metal concert.

dep are much better than opeth

xjester wrote: HeirToRuin wrote: King of Loss wrote: Oh man... Talk about a BAD LIVE BAND! I was at the Boston date when the guitarist flew into the drumset and broke his arm!  Its good that their tour ended there! Anyways, I thought Megadeth was also very bad live. The whole band sucked. Dillenger Escape had nothing but contempt for the audience.  The screamer (I have trouble calling him a vocalist) threw a bottle of water at the sound technicians in the back and ended up hitting the sound board.  The technicians promptly walked his ass on stage during their set and apparently bitched the guy out.  It's funny how the venue wouldn't let the fans take bottles into the arena for that very reason.  Moreover, 30 minutes of slinging your guitar around like a gorilla is quite tired and played out.  It only serves the purpose to distract (although not very well) the audience from having to simply listen to their well-executed noise.  Any interesting parts the band played during any song was quickly ruined by more random crap and nonsensical screaming.  Telling the audience "you need to grow up and get out of your parents basements" didn't really do much to raise my opinion of them either. I was actually looking forward to seeing them since I never bothered to listen to their studio albums.  Even Bobaflex was more interesting. HAHAHA! bobaflex was gay as hell! and as for DEP, i have to agree with the statement that was made earlier.  I wouldmuch rather see people who dont move much  than see idots who can barely play their instruments jump around like morons. Beleive it or not, the guitarist (wearing short shorts) was juping around, and hit the guy with a mic ( i guess youd call him a vocalist...) in the back of the head!!

Now, they may jump around like morons, but they are very talented musicians.

HeirToRuin wrote: King of Loss wrote: Oh man... Talk about a BAD LIVE BAND! I was at the Boston date when the guitarist flew into the drumset and broke his arm!  Its good that their tour ended there! Anyways, I thought Megadeth was also very bad live. The whole band sucked. Dillenger Escape had nothing but contempt for the audience.  The screamer (I have trouble calling him a vocalist) threw a bottle of water at the sound technicians in the back and ended up hitting the sound board.  The technicians promptly walked his ass on stage during their set and apparently bitched the guy out.  It's funny how the venue wouldn't let the fans take bottles into the arena for that very reason.  Moreover, 30 minutes of slinging your guitar around like a gorilla is quite tired and played out.  It only serves the purpose to distract (although not very well) the audience from having to simply listen to their well-executed noise.  Any interesting parts the band played during any song was quickly ruined by more random crap and nonsensical screaming.  Telling the audience "you need to grow up and get out of your parents basements" didn't really do much to raise my opinion of them either. I was actually looking forward to seeing them since I never bothered to listen to their studio albums.  Even Bobaflex was more interesting.

HAHAHA! bobaflex was gay as hell!

and as for DEP, i have to agree with the statement that was made earlier.  I wouldmuch rather see people who dont move much  than see idots who can barely play their instruments jump around like morons.

Beleive it or not, the guitarist (wearing short shorts) was juping around, and hit the guy with a mic ( i guess youd call him a vocalist...) in the back of the head!!