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    Posted: October 05 2004 at 11:48

One thing I'm surprised about in these forums is that there is not much discussion of lyrics.  My opinion is that good lyrics are necessary (except for instrumentals, of course) for any good song, prog or not.  While I love Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing, for example, I'm not a VH fan because their lyrics are generally lame.

I'm not a big fan of "fantasy" type lyrics, such as Yes or Glass Hammer.  The lyrics need to touch me in some way, either emotionally or politically.

My favorite lyricist, bar none, is Fish.  His lyrics hit home with me during a tough time in my life, and the emotion he has put in many of his songs has made him a regular purchase of mine.  Unfortunately, IMO, his music has not always matched his lyrics.

Among my favorites, from Marillion's "Warm Wet Circles": "She faithfully traces his name/With quick bitten fingernails/Through the tears of condensation/That will cry through the night/As the glancing headlights of the last bus/Kiss adolecense goodbye". 

What other lyricists strike peoples' fancies, and why? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 12:27

Fish is indeed a great lyricist. No musician I have ever heard matches his mastery of the English Language

Peter Gabriel is also great. I love his eccentricity

Peter Sinfeild was also a great Lyricist

and my favorite is Peter Hammill. he is not as articulate as fish, but I prefer his style over Fish's

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 13:13

Roy Harper:

Locked, in mortal combat, where the future's shadows loom,

The gaurdian of my spirit fights its way across the room,

To where the sick majority infests the myths of doom,

and the lanterns of children hold fast, in full bloom.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 13:22

John Wetton has come up with a few - the story unfolding in UK's Waterloo 6.02, (Danger Money) leaves a chill  - ironically I got the point driving down Park Lane. The opening verse of Todd Rundgren's A Real Man, i.e. first track of Initiation, is derived from the words of Jesus (I'm a very lapsed Christian), makes me think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 13:37

Roy Harper:

Hey Mr Wilson! Hey mr Heath!

Can't you pull your pants up boys, I'm standing underneath!

Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 14:01

There's a whole lot of threads here about this Lobster.. you just need to look a little.  My favorite will always be Greg Lake....

THE SAGE

I carry the dust of a journey
that cannot be shaken away
It lives deep within me
for I breathed it every day

You and I are yesterday's answers
the earth of the past come to flesh
Eroded by time's rivers
to the shapes we now possess

Come share of my breath and my substance
and mingle our streams and our times
In bright infinite moments
our reasons are lost in our eyes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 14:40

Fish

Peter Hammill

Peter Gabriel

Geoff Mann

Thom Yorke

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 15:44

Here are a few of my favorites...

  • Thom Yorke
  • Fish
  • Peter Gabriel
  • Tony Banks
  • Steve Hackett
  • John Palumbo
  • John Lennon
  • Greg Lake
  • Jon Anderson
  • Neil Peart
  • Steve Hogarth
  • John Wetton
  • Modest Mouse lead singer(can't remember his name right now)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 15:48

Fish for the intense poetry of his work.

Peart (No mention, shame on you guys!) for his intense intellect.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 15:56

I mentioned him!

Anyway, glad to see another Neil fan. The guy is incredibly articulate and creative with the words he writes. He also can really beat on those drums.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 15:59
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Fish for the intense poetry of his work.

Peart (No mention, shame on you guys!) for his intense intellect.

Agreed. Why no mention for Peart?? He has been criticised for not being emotional enough, or being too scientific. I think he has written some very moving lyrics over the years, 'Ghost of a chance' and 'The pass' to name but a few from the 80's and 90's.

With regard to Fish, I think I've had this discussion before. I had not listerned to Marillion for a long time until recently. I seem to remember some of his lyrics being a little too 'arty farty' for my liking. But, I concede I was wrong. The lyrcis to songs like 'Incubus' and 'Cinderella search' are masterfull. Not forgetting 'Script for a jesters tear'

Also Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammil, Bob Calvert, Nick Drake, Roger Waters..

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 15:59
Originally posted by ProgRocker ProgRocker wrote:

I mentioned him!

Anyway, glad to see another Neil fan. The guy is incredibly articulate and creative with the words he writes. He also can really beat on those drums.  

Jesus,ProggyBoy! I dozed off after the first 100 names!LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 16:01
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Fish for the intense poetry of his work.

Peart (No mention, shame on you guys!) for his intense intellect.

Agreed. Why no mention for Peart?? He has been criticised for not being emotional enough, or being too scientific. I think he has written some very moving lyrics over the years, 'Ghost of a chance' and 'The pass' to name but a few from the 80's and 90's.

With regard to Fish, I think I've had this discussion before. I had not listerned to Marillion for a long time until recently. I seem to remember some of his lyrics being a little too 'arty farty' for my liking. But, I concede I was wrong. The lyrcis to songs like 'Incubus' and 'Cinderella search' are masterfull. Not forgetting 'Script for a jesters tear'

Also Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammil, Bob Calvert, Nick Drake, Roger Waters..

I think Cinderella Search is a triumph! Some of the most wonderful lyrics ever, and not even an official album release!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 16:41

My favorite lyricists:

Roger Waters (realistic, no-frills political lyrics which got me into prog in the first place)

Ian Anderson (social commentary, biting but hidden behind a wall of poetry. sort of like Roger Waters and Jon Anderson mixed)

Jon Anderson (purely poetic, almost impenetrable but beautiful lyrics. hard to figure out what they are on occaision, but when you know what they mean it's better)

Peter Gabriel (less political than Ian's or Roger's stuff, but has a sort of hidden theme...a bit harder to figure out than Ian's, but easier to figure than Jon's)

And that's the top four on my list.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2004 at 16:52

My favourites consist of most mentioned by the others being.

1. Fish, farout the best lyricist I know.

Neil Peart, I like the futuristic and (pseudo-)scientific theme's

Gabriel, though I find him hard to follow sometimes (did he wrote all lyrics for Genesis????)

Clive Nolan, it's not brilliant, but it does connect well to his music (Moviedrome, and Sirens, music and lyrics in perfect harmonie)

Jon Anderson, Survival is great,

              If we were flours we would worship the sun (later work).

for non-prog I like Tim Rice, Bernie Taupin (I'm a great Elton John Afficionado) and Neil Young

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2004 at 00:06

My favorites are

  1. Peter Gabriel: His lyrics are always intelligent stories that can be followed, sometimes weird, but always make some sense. Great cultural background, sings about almost everything.
  2. Ian Anderson: Great lyrics, really funny but always intelligent.
  3. Roger Waters: Love his sharp political edge.

The worst lyricist IMO is Jon Anderson, tries to be esoteric and iluminated but with no philosophical support. But most of the time sounds great with Yes music, even when he says nothing.

Iván



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2004 at 01:03
Actually Ivan, Jon Anderson just writes in code... once you decipher what he's saying... and you break the code... you start to get everything he says...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2004 at 01:52

Threefates wrote:

Quote Actually Ivan, Jon Anderson just writes in code... once you decipher what he's saying... and you break the code... you start to get everything he says...

Then I'll need the Enigma code machine or something to get high, then maybe I'll understand him.

Now seriously,it's better for mental health to only worry for how the words sound in the context of the song than about the meaning of what he says.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2004 at 05:22

Hi:

I should add David Cousins, from Strawbs. His poetry can easyly be read on its own:

  Here in the windchill years of our lives
We dwell in the shade of evergreen
Stirring the last of the slow burning embers
Counting our way through a year of Decembers.

I love the last line. Very sad, though. He is also famous among fans for the... ehem.., particular images he sometimes uses:

Her breasts are gentle snowdrifts
In an open field
The supple fingered winter wind
The grass concealed
And though the winter wind may be deceiving
I feel her breathing
At my fingertips.

An many more examples. In his early records, he also has several story-like songs, something I quite like: The Battle, The Vision of the Lady in the Lake, The Man Who Called Himself Jesus...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2004 at 05:29
Originally posted by emdiar emdiar wrote:

Roy Harper:

Hey Mr Wilson! Hey mr Heath!

Can't you pull your pants up boys, I'm standing underneath!

 

Also check the name check on George Harrison's Taxman (Beatles' Revolver) - I noticed Tom Petty sang the line which included these former senior British politicians in Taxman, during the recent  Royal Albert Hall tribute to the life of Harrison. However, BOA (on Ain't Life Grand) made the effort to drop in the names of a couple of American politicians of the period for their rendition of Taxman .

 

 

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