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    Posted: February 11 2006 at 18:45

What do you think are the masterpieces (ie. flawless 5 star gems)  from the big five?? I reckon -

Yes - The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer and Going for the One.

Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals (Meddle and The Wall i'd give 4 and a half as they both have weak points)

Genesis - Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and A Trick of the Tail (Nursery Cryme, IMO, Does not deserve 5 stars)

ELP - Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery

King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic (This one is the only one that I'd consider flawless, and it's just amazing!! Lizard follows closely behind - 4 and a half. I know Red and In the Court.. will come up a lot, but I feel they have big gaps in quality at some stage)

I thought this would be an interesting topic of discussion, to see what albums by the big 5 people consider to be the masterpieces of the groups.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 18:54
Yes:
- The Yes Album
- Fragile
- Close To The Edge
- Relayer

Pink Floyd:
- Atom Heart Mother
- Meddle
- The Dark Side Of The Moon
- Wish You Were Here
- Animals
- The Wall

Genesis:
- Nursery Cryme
- Foxtrot
- Selling England By The Pound

Emerson Lake & Palmer:
- Emerson Lake & Palmer
- Trilogy
- Brain Salad Surgery

King Crimson:
- In The Court Of The Crimson King
- Lizard
- Larks' Tongues In Aspic
- Red

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 19:14

Yes- None that I've heard yet (and theres a lot I havnt heard)

Genesis- Foxtrot, Sellinmg England By The Pound (still makeing my mind up on Trespass)

Pink Floyd- Wish You Were Here, Animals

King Crimson- (still makeing my mind up on the 2 albums I have of theres)

ELP- Brain Salad Surgery 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 19:15
Yes :
-Close to the edge
-Relayer

Pink Floyd :
-Animals
-Wish you were here
(I don't consider Dark side of the moon to be a five star album. Animals and WYWH too, but they're closer IMO so for the sake of this thread, I'll rate 'em five stars.)

Genesis :
-Nursery Cryme
-Foxtrot
-Selling England by the pound

ELP :
-Trilogy
-Brain Salad Surgery

King Crimson :
-ITCOTCK
-Red
Lark's tongue in Aspic
-Lizard

In fact, I wouldn't give a five star rating to a lot of these albums but I do it for the thread.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 19:16
Yes - The Yes Album and side one of CTTE and Relayer.

Genesis - Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and SEBTP. Trespass and The Lamb are close.

Pink Floyd - Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and most of Animals and Meddle.

ELP and King Crimson released nothing remotely close to a masterpiece though Trilogy and Tarkus are pretty good.

Gentle Giant and Camel released more superb albums than all of these but Genesis and Floyd.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 19:16
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Yes- None that I've heard yet (and theres a lot I havnt heard)

You must here more, you must!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 19:35

Yes:

  • CTTE
  • Yes Album
  • GFTO
  • Fragile
  • Relayer

Genesis:

  • Foxtrot
  • Selling England...
  • ATOTT
  • W&W

PF:

  • DSOTM
  • Meddle
  • Animals

King Crimson:

  • Larks'

ELP:

  • BSS
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 19:38
I wonder where Andrew is???!! I'd like to see what he says
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 20:19
Yes:

CTTE
Yes Album
Relayer

Genesis:
Nursery Cryme
Foxtrot
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

PF:
Not a big Floyd fan but I would say DSOTM and Animals

King Crimson:
Larks'
Starless

ELP:
none that I've heard (I have Tarkus and BSS. I just think the "silly" songs
bring the albums down to about 4.5ish. I like ELP though, they have some
great, great songs.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 20:26

Yes:
    -Close To The Edge
    -The Yes Album

Genesis

    - Selling England by the Pound
    - Trespass

Pink Floyd:

    - The Piper at Gates Of Down
    - A Saucerful of Secrets
    - Atom Heart Mother  

King Crimson:

    - Lizard
    - Islands

Emerson, Lake & Palmer:

    - Brain Salad Surgery
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 20:33

Yes:

  • Close To The Edge (1972)

Genesis:

  • Foxtrot (1972)
  • Selling England By The Pound (1973)

Pink Floyd:

  • Dark Side Of The Moon (1973)
  • Wish You Were Here (1975)

King Crimson:

  • In The Court of The Crimson King (1969)

Emerson, Lake & Palmer:

  • Brain Salad Surgery (1973)

All 5 stars, except for 'Brain Salad Surgery' - which is a 4.5 star album, IMO!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 20:37

Genesis:

  1. Foxtrot
  2. Nursery Cryme
  3. Selling England

Note: I like Trespass more than The Lamb, but The Lamb IMO is a more complex and ambitious work with much moretrascendence for the genre.

Yes

  1. Close to the Edge
  2. Relayer

ELP

  1. Trilogy
  2. Brain Salad Surgery

King Crimson

  1. In the Court of the Crimson King

Pink Floyd:

  1. Wish You Were Here
  2. Dark Side of the Moon

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 20:42

Genesis:

1. Selling England by the Pound
2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

Yes:

1. Close to the Edge

Pink Floyd:

1. Dark Side of the Moon
2. Wish You Were Here

King Crimson:

1. Red
2. Discipline
3. ThraK

ELP:

1. Brain Salad Surgery
2. Side One of Tarkus

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 21:25
Yes - Relayer, Close To the Edge, Fragile (despite some weak tracks)
Genesis- Nursery Crime, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound
Pink Floyd - Animals, Echoes, Shine on You Crazy Diamond
King Crimson - Lizard, Red
ELP - never really got into them... I like Tarkus.... I don't know although I admire Emerson's playing ability I can;t stand that much organ....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 21:28
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

What do you think are the masterpieces (ie. flawless 5 star gems)  from the big five?? I reckon -

Yes - The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer and Going for the One.

Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals (Meddle and The Wall i'd give 4 and a half as they both have weak points)

Genesis - Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and A Trick of the Tail (Nursery Cryme, IMO, Does not deserve 5 stars)

ELP - Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery

King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic (This one is the only one that I'd consider flawless, and it's just amazing!! Lizard follows closely behind - 4 and a half. I know Red and In the Court.. will come up a lot, but I feel they have big gaps in quality at some stage)

I thought this would be an interesting topic of discussion, to see what albums by the big 5 people consider to be the masterpieces of the groups.

 

Yes - Fragile, Close to the Edge, Yessongs

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here (maybe Animals)

Genesis - Foxtrot (maybe Lamb Lies Down)

Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery

King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King, probably Larks' Tongues in Aspic

There you go.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:12
masterpieces from the Big 6 (can't have Genesis without Tull...  in my book)   hmm...

Yes:

The Yes Album
CttE
Yessongs
TFTO
Relayer
GFTO

(that was a run of brilliance not matched in prog IMO)

King Crimson:
In the Court of the Crimson King
Lark's Tongues in Aspic
Red
Discipline

ELP:
Pictures at an Exhibitioin
Trilogy
BSS
Welcome back my Friends

Floyd:
DSOTM
WYWH
Animals

Genesis:
Foxtrot
Selling England by the Pound
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

Jethro Tull:
Thick as A Brick
A Passion Play
Song From the Wood
Heavy Horses


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:27

King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic (This one is the only one that I'd consider flawless, and it's just amazing!! Lizard follows closely behind - 4 and a half. I know Red and In the Court.. will come up a lot, but I feel they have big gaps in quality at some stage)

 

I loved King Crimson and have all the early albums of the boys and Fripp, and the solo stuff. I loved that Bruford and Holdsworth stuff. Fripp and Gabriel made a good pair. I hate to say this but I think you're right, so few are really flawless, if any. I like two you mentioned The Court and Lark's Tongues best; but as with most of the music I like, I play devil's advocate to actually how good it really is objectively.

Pink Floyd: like the Moody Blues, I often put on the ambient stuff late at night before I go to bed.  Dark Side is the defining epic of the 1970s.  Someone should make a movie about it like they did with that Kiss movie for the Destroyer tour or Dazed and Confused, which I guess was not about Zep. I never got to see them live because I was too young to go into Manhattan to see them in '77.  I could not get tickets when they came to the Naaau Coliseum to do The Wall.  Years later my uncle, who was one of the the arresting officers in the Son of Sam case, said to me, " Oh, you like, Pink Floyd, I was the head of security when they came to the Nassau Coliseum."  Gee, thanks.

ELP Trilogy, Brain Salad, of course. I would add Tarkus simply because it is a piece that grew and changed throughout the trios tenure and one of the prog essentials. The live version is better. Bitch's Cystal also a great piece, the jazz waltz.

 

Genesis.  I love Foxtrot, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, oh, and also Trick of the Tale, don't whoot me, there must be some Misunderstanding. but for the life of me cannot see the why Selling England is number two or Nursery Crime is a top ten prog essential.   

Yes, as I just said elsewhere. Not to be underrated because of the popularity they acheived. They were great.  I've seen them six times, never with the same line up. Those three classic albums defined the genre.

 

Jethro Tull, bigger than many but always forgotten.  You'll see whose remembered in one hundred years.

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:27
Yes: the yes album, Relayer, Tales from topographic, Going for the one

King Crimson: In the court of the krimson king, In the wake of poseidon (havent heard other except of RED)

ELP: ELP, BSS

Pink Floyd: Piper, Atom heart mother, Animals

Genesis: Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling, Lamb - like i said before, perfect 5 stars (70-75 Genesis era)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:30
Yes-Close to the Edge

Genesis-Foxtrot

Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here (Animals is close though!)

ELP-None

King Crimson-Red, ITCoTCK, LTiA

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:38

Not to put the creator down, but these threads are so predictable!

But, I'll add one bit.

King Crimson:

Larks' Tongue in Aspic
Starless and Bible Black (probably)

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