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MikeEnRegalia 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20576 |
 Posted: February 14 2006 at 05:06 |
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They are not prog, but prog related. Some of their songs use many of the elements that are also used in prog rock. |
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BaldFriede
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Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: February 14 2006 at 05:22 |
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You need to listen to some of their early stuff to realize how prog they were. Also, as my brother, who is 10 years older than I am, pointed out, it is historically correct to list them under "progressive", because in the late 60s and early 70s they were regarded to be one of the most progressive bands by many listeners. Jean's parents (who were hippies in the late 60s and early 70s) are of the same opinion, as I recall from many talks with them.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 05:27 |
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It's absolutely vital in these prog/non-prog discussions to consider the WHOLE discography of an artist If there is one album in that discography which can be considered to be prog (or prog related), then the artist should be included. You should always think on the album level, because it makes absolutely no sense to judge a whole band which has been active for more than 30 years. DP had many different phases, and their style varies from album to album. Remember that this website is about prog albums, not bands. Edited by MikeEnRegalia |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 06:05 |
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In this case had Purple stopped in 1969, nobody would even be discussing whether they were prog, we would all agree to it as probably think of it as Proto-prog to the same extent that The Nice or Vanilla fudge too.
The problem resides in the fact that M@X wants the full discographies represented so we must have Machine Head and Bananas also in here. Again, many of us feel that the first four Rainbow albums (Live album included) holds enough prog to be included (at least in prog-related) but we must go to the mid-80's crap they've done too Edited by Sean Trane |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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micky
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 06:47 |
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bravo!!!! Jon Lord was a classically inspired keyboardist, who was as 'interested' as Emerson in exploring the fusing of classical and rock. I'd go as far to say that Deep Purple were as instrumental as The Nice in the development of what was to be popularly known as 'prog rock'. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Dr Know
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Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 532 |
Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:48 |
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I say put them under progressive. The first 3 albums were very prog, also some of the early 70´s stuff. It would be great to discuss their albums instead of always discussing "The big five" Maybe Led Zeppelin too! |
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ANDREW
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Joined: November 21 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 3064 |
Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:54 |
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DEEP PURPLE is the most famous hard-rock band in the whole world. In the beginning of their career they released 4 prog albums, thanks to Jon Lord's classical trend.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 08:04 |
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Early Deep Purple were most certainly amongst the bands listed as progressive music (not progressive rock), and indeed their early inclusion with other progressive music bands on EMI's progressive rock label Harvest Records, gives support to this pre-1970 idea of evolving/progressing rock music. But come In Rock, you have a heavy rock album which didn't related to the growing concepts of what progressive rock was at the time (as Yes, Genesis, Nice/ELP etc. were laying down) and the early 70's prog fans would not have accepted Deep Purple from then on as progressive rock - and term heavy rock or heavy metal was borrowed from the long forgotten band The Heavy Metal Kids. However, there was a a large number of progressive bands filled the gap between the "bookends" of Deep Purple and ELP. It was clear from seeing DP's In Rock gig at the Royal Albert Hall (1971 or more probably early '72 - memory going), prog fans/heavy rock fans tastes overlapped considerably - least we weren't skinheads. However, i reject completely the idea DP are/were proto-prog. |
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cuncuna
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 09:17 |
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I don't know. ¿Why don't you ask them? I'm sure they will look at you and say: "¿Prog? Man, that label thing is a trick of the music industry. We make music, that's all..."
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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BiGi
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 10:56 |
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Good gorgeous, Peter! How cannot I agree wholeheartedly? It's just the same as I feel towards all kinds of music... It's just by chance that the most works I like come from artist that are somehow labeled as "prog"!!!  And I consider Deep Purple progressive, since their sound has always been innovative, their songs are complex (there are traces also on their latest efforts - which are very good IMHO) and they do have high technical skills (ehm...at least Jon Lord does...and also Ian Gillan, David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes when it comes to voice) |
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A'swepe
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Joined: December 08 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 590 |
Posted: February 14 2006 at 10:59 |
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I'm certainly no expert on Prog (who among us truly is?) - While I will agree that very early DP was more experimental that later releases, I would not classify them as Prog. Way back in the 70's bands like DP, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin & Grand Funk Railroad were considered Heavy Metal. I saw DP live in 1986 or 87 - excellent show! I've seen Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, Black Sabbath also. I would classify DP in the same general group with Sabbath, but not Yes, ELP or JT. Listen to their versions of Kentucy Woman (Neil Diamond) & Hush (Joe South). This is pure rock & roll, admittedly with a twist. They have a way of making good songs great with their interpretations. But No, they are not Prog.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:22 |
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I'd just like to add to the many voices saying that Peter's hit the nail on the head here. Excellent posts, sir! |
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Baza
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 12:26 |
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I agree. However, I think that the most famous hard rock group is Led Zeppelin. But the first Deep Purple lineup which released the 4 albums mentioned above, made prog rock - they combined rock with classical music, and that's what the core of progressive rock is. |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 12:27 |
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Has Jon Lord's solo work been added to PA? I'd be much happier to see that here than DP, so seeing as we've got one the other must surely follow?
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Peter
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 12:58 |
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School going okay, I hope? |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 13:00 |
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Ahem. ART COLLEGE, if you please. |
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Peter
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 13:15 |
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Well, I knew it was post-secondary, but couldn't recall exactly what -- plus the designations of these institutions ("college" vs "university," etc) varies from country to country. Hence, I used "school" in its broadest, inclusive sense to indicate any educational institution, to be on the safe side.
Have they touched upon any of the stuff I was philosophizing/pontificating about Should I teach "Prog Appreciation" there? |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Chicapah
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Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
Posted: February 14 2006 at 13:20 |
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If you put them in the era that they started out in they are definitely prog. Now, they didn't stay that way, but the first few albums definitely had them pushing the prog envelope with extended versions of popular songs and doing more than the standard 3 minute hit formulas. Don't forget the concert with orchestra they did in the very early 70s. Once Machine Head came out they waved prog rock goodbye and grabbed early heavy metal by the horns and the rest, as they say, is history. But they have to be included in the annals of prog rock definitely.
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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The Hemulen
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 13:21 |
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"Prog Appreciation"! What a course that would be! "Right chaps. Today we're going to look at noodling." *titters* Anyhowinwhichwhy, the studies go well, sir! My lecturer recently asked me and the girl I've been doing a lot of work with to put our most recent project (a projection piece using garish colours, aggressive tones, subliminal messages and Lars Hollmer) on the course website. I'm suitably chuffed. |
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 13:54 |
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Beautiful |
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Karn Evil 9 wrote:
Thanks, TP, and to all others who've taken the time to read and respond.
So... how are your studies at ART COLLEGE going, young man? 
