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    Posted: March 03 2006 at 10:33

OK, we know the British were pretty good in this field, but progheads should really check out Germany for this too

Parzival>> two superb albums a cross of Gryphon meets Fairport or Trees
Ougenweide>> also fairly medieval not unlike Malicorne and Gentle Giant
Hoelderlin's Traum >> later became Holderlin >> but this baby is a major stunner, more folk rock than the previous two>> the later albums are more symphonic
Broselmachine>> stunning album
Carol Of Harvest>>> German Trees but live bonus tracks are derangesome
Emtidi>> Saat is another stunning album, but very athmospheric
Lang'syne>> one sole album but what a beauty
Wittheuser & Westrupp>> A bit psych of a debut but astounding at times
Emma Myldenberger>>> yet to be included in the PA and their cds are not easy to come by

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2006 at 12:33
I just read your post in lame threads. I know how it feels to start a thread and people could care less. I have only heard of one band you have mentioned in this thread. I will probably give it a spin today. If not for you mentioning it I would not give it a spin. So what it boils down to is : the more mature listeners are going to pay attention to you rather than somebody coming across negatively. Now please realize by the time I acquaint myself with some of your recommendations this thread will have passed and another stupid thread will have 10 pages of egotistical grunting and nay saying. Appreciate your suggestions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2006 at 12:46
Thank you for your interesting info about folk prong in Germany, I like a lot
German music, but until now only knew about krautrock and avant garde
electronic. I will try to listen to some of the groups you listed, although it
may be difficult for me living in a not so big town in the northwest of Spain,
almost the only music we can get here are the top 40
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2006 at 13:10
One has to understand German to really appreciate Witthüser & Westrup. Their "songs" all circle around "Brösel" (where Bröselmaschine picked their name from too), which is a German slang word for "hashish". (The German verb "bröseln" means "to crumble", "to mince", which you do with hashish before smoking it).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2006 at 13:16
Hoelderlin's Traum is a wonderful, wonderful album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:22
Hoelderlin's Traum and Clouds and Clown are two of my German folk faves. Emtidi and Carol of Harvest are also two great albums. I don't speak German, but I still enjoy Witthuser & Westrup. I'm sure if I understood the lyrics I would get alot more out of it. All those not familiar with German folk give some a listen. Good stuff indeed!! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2006 at 22:26

Talking about german folk-prog there are many bands such as:

Cochise
Jerry Berkers
Rufus Zuphall
Hanuman
Ougenweide
Brühwarm
Kollectiv Rote Rübe
TSS

Check them out!






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 05:43
It's a little off topic but anyway I'll try.

Any of our German friends out there could translate the Popol Vuh's album
title Einsjäger & Siebenäger.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 05:44
Flute and voice
Kalacakra
Fit & Limo

http://psychedelicfolk.homestead.com/Germanprogfolk.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 05:45
Originally posted by Hesselius Hesselius wrote:

It's a little off topic but anyway I'll try.

Any of our German friends out there could translate the Popol Vuh's album
title Einsjäger & Siebenäger.

It means "Onehunter and Sevenhunter". And it doesn't make any more sense in German.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 05:54
thank you BaldFriede
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 06:02
Maybe it refers to some mythological tale. Or perhaps to something out of the "Popol Vuh" ("Popol Vuh" is the name of the holy book of the Mayan civilization).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 06:27
A friend had told me that the meaning was earth & heaven, but i didn't trust
her knolwledge of german, now I see that I was right.

It is quite pausible the reference to the Popol Vuh, because they were
involved in the Mayan myths (at least at the beginning of their career)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 08:36
Merci pour cette information, Hugues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 10:22
Originally posted by Hesselius Hesselius wrote:

A friend had told me that the meaning was earth & heaven, but i didn't trust
her knolwledge of german, now I see that I was right.

It is quite pausible the reference to the Popol Vuh, because they were
involved in the Mayan myths (at least at the beginning of their career)
I don`t know but could 1 & 7 be metaphors for earth & heaven??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 13:55

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Merci pour cette information, Hugues.

 

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Ruphus Zuphall is not folk IMHO

and from the bonus live tracks of their two studio albums's new reissues , they were quite bluesy

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2006 at 15:01
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Ruphus Zuphall is not folk IMHO




Have you heard Weiss Der Teufel?
If not listen to Spanferkel or Freitag...then you decide
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2006 at 03:40
Originally posted by anael anael wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Ruphus Zuphall is not folk IMHO




Have you heard Weiss Der Teufel?
If not listen to Spanferkel or Freitag...then you decide

I never said that Rufus Zuphall did not have any influences, but overall I would not say that folk was their main inspiration

Weiss Der Teufel is a great album.

Phallobst is one of the worst taste covers ever though with worms out of a pear

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 04:17
CAROL OF HARVEST Carol of Harvest
Review (Permanent link) by Hugues Chantraine @ 3:04:57 AM EST, 3/9/2006

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4 stars  —  Stunning sole album from this very recent discovery even among hard-line collectors, this group is now more reputed but it still has loads to achieve in notoriety to achieve the popularity it merits. This quintet recorded what can be considered a masterpiece of progressive Folk Rock in 1978, when the interest for such a record had been on the wane for a while, which might explain the confidentiality of it (it was also pressed to minimum quantity). Looking back, this album probably sounded quite dated in 78, but I assure you that nowadays this music is timeless and absolutely beautiful.

Brainchild of guitarist Axel Schmierer, who wrote all tracks and English lyrics, this album radiates beauty of groups such as The Trees or Hoelderlin’s Traum. Compared to the Trees (most striking comparison) is the beautiful female voice of Beate Krause, but also the large instrument passages which are given even more room than on any tracks of The Trees’s two albums. If some progheads have doubt that all f those folk rock groups from the turn of the 70’s decade are progressive enough to be on the Archives, here you will have absolutely no doubts: if this folk is not prog, than there can be no such thing.

Lenghty opener (16 min) Nightcap is a pure delight wiçth an acoustic guitar emerging from the winds and adopting a melody that will closely resemble one from Roger Waters on The Wall, and the vocals (Sandy Denny anyone?) takes us quickly to a superb ambiance mixed with KB of the era but played divinely slow to fit the music. Just before the 7 min-mark, the track picks up speed but repeats the previous pattern and Schmierer’s soaring solo does you wonders in terms of spine chills before dying out. A sonar tone brings you back to life along with the siren’s chant: you must be Ulysses tied to his mast. The tunes picks up speed once again than calms down to the returning sonar and so on… Second (short) track is much more trad folk and closing a stunning first side.

The second side starts very much in the mould of its predecessor (maybe a bit too much) but slightly less expansive on the instrumental side and Treary Eyes is also in that typical mould between Pentangle and The Trees while the 10 min closer brings back some of the majesty of the first side of the vinyl. Most of the lyrics (perfectly sung in English) are not reaching far or have no deep meaning but still positive and charming.

The three live bonus tracks bring little more to the album (the sound quality is average and the songs are unremarkable but have a space rock sound), but they do not interfere with the overall fluidity of the album as well as its enjoyment. Part of the excitement of this album is to discover a great to superb folk prog album that belongs with the best of the decade but was recorded so late that it went unnoticed and can now be seen as a lost and forgotten gem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:50

Parzival is outstanding stuff, absolutely delicious

PARZIVAL Legend progressive rock album and reviews Prog Folk
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5 stars   One of the keenest Folk Prog group to come from Germany, Parzival should appeal to most progheads especially those looking into medieval music as a main influence. In this regard, they are to be compared to countrymen Ougenweide (but Parzival sings in English), Malicorne for one side and The Pentangle, Spirogyra or The Trees for the second. Organized around a guitar-bass-drums trio (the bassist being multi- instrumentalist from KB to violin) with an added instruments ranging from the cello, flute to the oboe. Sounds tasty does it not? Ya Betcha!-)

Oddly enough the Cd starts with a bonus track, a non-album single, but a masterstroke that puts you right away in superb joyous mood and the album is in the same mould. Cellos and flute gives a rather medieval feeling to the music, but never really completely indulging in it like Gryphon would, they sound more like ELO’s first superb album also. The 8 Years Later almost instrumental is an incredibly beautiful track where they are soaring away like eagles from us poor mortals. Senseless and a few other tracks have slightly acidic-sounding vocals reminding Sopirogyra’s Martyn Cockerham or Comus’s Wooton, but without having that eerie feel to it. Empty Land is based on Bach’s Matthew’s Passion, but the previous track always had another classical influence I could never place.

Their largely acoustic sound is incredibly contagious and highly joyous (I know I already said this at the start of the review but this must be stressed again here. Their lenghty Groove Inside (you guessed it, based on an improvisation) is never less than interesting but reaches the enthralling stages too especially when they get to a raga section (and even reminding me of Jan Dukes De Grey’s Sun Symphonia), until it ends on a rather pointless and not-so-nice wink to The Beatles’s When I’m 64. But only on this lenghty track doers the mood become …… moody ;-)

Two more short bonus tracks (on top of the opening one) are ending the album in a rougher manner than necessary, both being demos dating from 69 and largely forgettable, this album is one of the real pearls from Germany’s folk scene and the fact that it was produced by Conny Plank, certainly is no coincidence.
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