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el böthy 
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Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
 Posted: September 12 2006 at 14:37 |
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Why would Zappa lie about something like this? To make him un-cool to the stoners?
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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lamarca
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Joined: September 12 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2 |
Posted: September 12 2006 at 19:05 |
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arent sugar, nicotine and tobacco drugs?
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the truth about opera is here
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el böthy
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 15:14 |
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Sugar? not to my knowledge... |
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lamarca
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 16:02 |
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have a look at this Edited by lamarca - September 15 2006 at 16:03 |
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the truth about opera is here
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Tapfret
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8576 |
Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:13 |
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He smoked. Nicotine is a drug, period!
On the subject of sugar, very few street drugs can cause long-term health problems from chronic use any more serious and insidius than diabetes mellitus type 2. Sounds like a joke, but hang around on a med/surg floor for awhile. Edited by Tapfret - August 15 2007 at 17:18 |
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Neil
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Joined: October 04 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:22 |
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Every chemical compound is a drug and they all have different effects on the body. When the general public mention drugs they usually mean narcotics or substances that the body would not normally produce or use. I would say that nicotene falls into this catagory but sugar (sucrose) doesn't.
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:25 |
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To my knowledge, -according to what i read on the subject-, zappa was too paranoid about police to take the risk to deal with illicit substances. I've read that he was someone who wanted to control all, and that's why he was afraid of any substance making him loose this sense of control.
He said one time that he hated people who don't assume their acts because they were stoned. I've also read that he was even against weed cause one of his drummers loose the sense of rhytm cause of pot. Despite my admiration for most of his works, i always found him a little pretentious, and that's probably because he wasn't cool enough. |
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Firefly
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Joined: April 29 2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 384 |
Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:33 |
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I don't see why he'd lie about that. Doesn't sound like he needed it either. hahaha |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:36 |
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He didn't lied IMO. He was just on tobacco/coffee.
But all his musicians were big starshoots! |
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Firefly
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:38 |
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I've heard some stoners doing complicated stuff....but then again, they weren't average...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:59 |
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Yes it's not the problem. His music was rather cold and cerebral, intellectual (that's not pejorative BTW). |
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el böthy
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 22:39 |
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Why would he be so anti drugs? I mean, he would have probably be "cooler" if he did drugs, right?... this question is absurd... Im pissed... Im gonna kick someone in the nutts... hey, mom!!!
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el böthy
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 22:42 |
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jajajaj looks like I have already said that  |
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 22:45 |
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I don't think Zappa would lie about it, though the argument that his music is so complex I think is not a valid argument. Countless band in the 60s used drugs to push music much farther than it had ever gone before. Beatles, Doors, etc. I think it was just how he conducted himself.
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 23:07 |
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Hmmmm...and what causes memory problems?
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sircosick
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Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
Posted: August 15 2007 at 23:11 |
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Brilliant. |
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The best you can is good enough...
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rileydog22
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Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: August 15 2007 at 23:18 |
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Frank Zappa was a very idealistic guy. Anyone who read his book sees how passionate he was about his ideals (especially on censorship). I don't think a guy who is that idealistic, highly intelligent, and very anti-drug use would be a drug user. I don't doubt that he tried some hard stuff in the early- to mid-sixties, but I think he disliked it and so went totally clean (coffee and cigs don't really count, and that stuff about sugar being a drug is nonsense) by the early- to mid-seventies at the latest.
I think it's somewhat reasonable for a guy who tried and disliked some sh*t when he was in a sixties psych group and then went and stayed clean to claim to be a drug-free individual. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 23:42 |
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It remains to prove that he tried some hard stuff.
I rather think he tried smoking one time, been ill and that's all. Another similar character in prog history for the psychotropic abstinence is Ian Anderson. Another heavy cigarette smoker who ruined his voice BTW  and who was maybe on booze as well.Edited by oliverstoned - August 15 2007 at 23:44 |
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el böthy
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Posted: August 16 2007 at 18:52 |
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Ah yeah? Well... I... I... where am I again? |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 07:26 |
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He never did quite get the idea of cocaine, though:
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