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Drew
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 12:25 |
I agree- I like Relayer A lot more!
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Chicapah
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 12:38 |
I rate CTTE higher because it is the culmination of years of identity development by the best lineup Yes ever had. It's a near-perfect album. Relayer is so different in so many ways that I can't really compare the two. It's amazing because of the circumstances it was created out of with Moraz coming in at the tail end of the composing phase and adding the amazing parts that he did. And "To be Over" is one of my favorite Yes tunes because it so completely showcases their expertise in using counter melody. The ending just blows me away every time.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 12:51 |
micky wrote:
Ghandi 2 wrote:
As most of you probably know by now, I don't like
CTTE. But Relayer is amazing! The music is much more complex and is far
less repetitive; the lyrics make enough sense that they don't make me
angry; the vocals are better (the opening vocals make me laugh, but I
think the singing is overall better than on CTTE); the cover is way
better :), and they actually bothered to make their own CD cover on the
actual CD. (I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but I think
that it shows a degree of laziness or apathy if a band just uses the
standard Atlantic cover. Zeppelin did it too, because they're so famous
they don't care.) Moraz's keyboards are better, because he realizes
that unless your Keith Emerson, the keyboards are always going to
be subordinate to the guitar, so he played backup things; whereas, it
seemed to me that Wakeman was fighting for dominance all through CTTE.
I also prefer the new drummer (his name escapes me now.); people say
Bruford is an amazing drummer, but I didn't think the drumming on CTTE
was all that spectacular. Lastly, it's actually a group effort on all
the songs; CTTE seemed to be dominated by Jon, Bruford, Howe. Unless
they were just stealing credit, which is also a possibility.
So, to conclude, if you found CTTE to be boring and repetitive, try
Relayer. If you don't like that, then I guess you don't like Yes.
Really though, don't hesitate because you don't
like CTTE; Yes sounds much different on Relayer. I suppose
that if you like CTTE you'd probably like this too.
Would I like Drama? From what I've heard that's the only otherYes
album that differs from the CTTE sound (Besides their '80s work, but
I'm not going there). Mainly because Jon isn't there I suppose, but I
do like Howe and Squire's playing. |
well you heard wrong hahahha. Tormato sounds nothing like CttE, neither does Going for the One.
Relayer is a fine album...but it's no Close to the Edge on many
levels. Moraz is a fine player, and showed it big time in the
live setting, but didn't have much to contribute to the album
since the whole damn thing was nearly written by the time he
joined. That album is too dominated by the bass and guitar.
The keyboard counterpoint to those two is missing or relatively
minor on Relayer. You can definitely like it more.. but
Close to the Edge is THE Yes album. Close to the Edge reflects
the perfect union of the contributions of Anderson, Squire, Howe,
Wakeman, and the prog drummer par excellance... Bill Bruford. THE
lineup that really is and will always be classic Yes.
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Well written, micky. I also always thought Anderson, Bruford,
Wakeman, Howe, Squire was the truly classic Yes lineup. Because
Close to the Edge and Relayer are so different, it's hard for me to
choose one and say it's better than the other.
Ghandi2, if you think Howe,Squire, and White are what's great about
Yes, then absolutely you should get DRAMA, as those three really shine
on it.
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Aaron
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 13:12 |
i dont know if its a better album, but Gates of Delirium rapes CTTE
Aaron
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 22:47 |
Cool. I must ask though, does Drama sound a lot like the '80s? Because I really don't like the '80s sound.
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Fritha
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 14:32 |
Well, Ghandi, you seem to prefer records that are stuffed to the brim with too many notes () so if I were you, I would tread cautiously in regards to Drama... I love that album myself, and think it has amazing guitar and bass playing, imaginative and groovy at the same time, but the songwriting is much more streamlined than on Relayer and thus probably sounds too poppish for you.
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ummagumma08
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 14:49 |
I'm not really much of a Yes fan, but Relayer is really a stand-out album from these guys, certainly much more interesting than CTTE! IMO, none of their other albums can be compared to the brilliance of Relayer.
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 17:32 |
Fritha wrote:
Well, Ghandi, you seem to prefer records that are stuffed to the brim with too many notes () so if I were you, I would tread cautiously in regards to Drama... I love that album myself, and think it has amazing guitar and bass playing, imaginative and groovy at the same time, but the songwriting is much more streamlined than on Relayer and thus probably sounds too poppish for you. | Would you say that Animals and WYWH are stuffed with too many notes? Those are my favorite albums of all time, along with most of early Floyd. If you think those are than maybe I do like stuffed albums. Although overly simple music is not good, streamlined is not a bad thing; I was asking more about the dreaded '80s sound. (slap bass, electro drums, etc.) The same thing applies for poppish; I really hate the '80s, not pop.
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