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    Posted: August 01 2006 at 18:17
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by moodyxadi moodyxadi wrote:

Well. I guess I've found the answer:
 
 
Interesting note: Deep Purple admits to "borrowing" the beginning of Child In Time from It's A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling. It's A Beautiful Day then used the tune of Wring That Neck for Don And Dewey on their Marrying Maiden album as a sort-of exchange.
On the musical side, there used to be this song Bombay Calling by a band called It's A Beautiful Day. It was fresh and original, when Jon was one day playing it on his keyboard. It sounded good, and we thought we'd play around with it, change it a bit and do something new keeping that as a base. - Ian Gillan, extract from a DPAS interview 3rd May 2002
 
 
Thinking about this , this is simply impossible chronologically
 
Wring That neck is from 69, so is Don And Dewey
 
Bombay calling is from 68 and Child In Time from 70
 
So prior compensation for an offense yet to come is not likely!!!ConfusedTongue
 
Whether Purple copied themselves from Wring That Neck is possible (but I do not hear itConfused) , but I do hear Don And Dewey in Lazy (72)


Wring that neck is from 68 and Don and Dewey from 70.
Bombay Calling is from 69 and Child in Time from 70.

So it is absolute possible. Or maybe it was the contrary, but they exchanged the riffs.


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Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

They All Steal:
Deep Purple - Highway Star -> Black Sabbath - Digital Bitch
Moby Grape - Never -> Led Zeppelin - Since I've Been Loving You
Little Richard - Good Golly Miss Molly -> Led Zeppelin - Boogie With Stu
Little Richard - Keep On Knockin' -> Led Zeppelin - Rock n Roll
 
No Prog examples, sorry


Rock'n'Roll started out when John Bonham played the intro to a Little Richard song, but since it's pretty much a standard twelve bar, it rips off thousands of songs!

As for Boogie with Stu, I think this is basically a cover of a Richie Valens song. I have heard it in the Valens biopic and on Physical Graffiti a "Mrs Valens" gets a credit for it along with Led Zep and the eponymous Ian Stewart.
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Originally posted by moodyxadi moodyxadi wrote:

Well. I guess I've found the answer:
 
 
Interesting note: Deep Purple admits to "borrowing" the beginning of Child In Time from It's A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling. It's A Beautiful Day then used the tune of Wring That Neck for Don And Dewey on their Marrying Maiden album as a sort-of exchange.
On the musical side, there used to be this song Bombay Calling by a band called It's A Beautiful Day. It was fresh and original, when Jon was one day playing it on his keyboard. It sounded good, and we thought we'd play around with it, change it a bit and do something new keeping that as a base. - Ian Gillan, extract from a DPAS interview 3rd May 2002
 
 
Thinking about this , this is simply impossible chronologically
 
Wring That neck is from 69, so is Don And Dewey
 
Bombay calling is from 68 and Child In Time from 70
 
So prior compensation for an offense yet to come is not likely!!!ConfusedTongue
 
Whether Purple copied themselves from Wring That Neck is possible (but I do not hear itConfused) , but I do hear Don And Dewey in Lazy (72)
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

The only good DP song i have ever heard and they dident even write it, why am i not surprised? DP may have been good players but they realy sucked at writing songs.


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This should be in the religion thread... filed under Blasphemy... Greg, where are you when a lady needs you?LOLLOLLOL

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I´m right here! (he shouts boldly)Wink
But I´m completely stunned, that just is sooo untrue!
 
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Child in Time
Lazy
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Burn etc etc etc.... equals fantastic song writing!!


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Originally posted by moodyxadi moodyxadi wrote:

Well. I guess I've found the answer:
 
 
Interesting note: Deep Purple admits to "borrowing" the beginning of Child In Time from It's A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling. It's A Beautiful Day then used the tune of Wring That Neck for Don And Dewey on their Marrying Maiden album as a sort-of exchange.
On the musical side, there used to be this song Bombay Calling by a band called It's A Beautiful Day. It was fresh and original, when Jon was one day playing it on his keyboard. It sounded good, and we thought we'd play around with it, change it a bit and do something new keeping that as a base. - Ian Gillan, extract from a DPAS interview 3rd May 2002
 
 
Ok! maybe Lazy is a recopying of Wring That Neck via the Don And Dewey track! Wink
 
Maybe purple had forgotten that this was their own tuine they were plagiarisingLOL
 
 
This might actually be why there was never any kind of trial between the two groups >> then Purple is clearly the winner on this deal
 
 
another blatant rip-off is Tull's Crossroads >>> lengthy solo in Sabbath's Iron Man


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Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

The only good DP song i have ever heard and they dident even write it, why am i not surprised? DP may have been good players but they realy sucked at writing songs.


Jon Lord was a good composer. Check out Concerto for Group and Orchestra.
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They All Steal:
Deep Purple - Highway Star -> Black Sabbath - Digital Bitch
Moby Grape - Never -> Led Zeppelin - Since I've Been Loving You
Little Richard - Good Golly Miss Molly -> Led Zeppelin - Boogie With Stu
Little Richard - Keep On Knockin' -> Led Zeppelin - Rock n Roll
 
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Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

The only good DP song i have ever heard and they dident even write it, why am i not surprised? DP may have been good players but they realy sucked at writing songs.


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This should be in the religion thread... filed under Blasphemy... Greg, where are you when a lady needs you?LOLLOLLOL

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The only good DP song i have ever heard and they dident even write it, why am i not surprised? DP may have been good players but they realy sucked at writing songs.
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The intro was borrowed, but they lent Wring that Neck to It's a Beautiful Day and everything went well.

The shameful ripoff was of Blues Magoo's song Ain't Got Nothing Yet. Black Knight is equal, except the lyrics.

Led Zeppelin borrowed the guitar riff in the intro of Stairway to Heaven from a Spirit song Taurus, but no problems, since they constructed another song over the riff.

Talking about Spirit, they could be added here...
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The guitar solo! Living proof that God exists - and he's called Ritchie Blackmore!Heart

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Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

Even if it was stolen, the guitar solo and phenomenal vocals (especially on Made In Japan) make it unique.
 
Agree. Incredible, a touching song. Cry Clap
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Kazimir is right and Deep Purple also ripped off the song 'We ain't got nothing Yet' by the Blue Magoos and turned it into their song 'Black Night'. Check it out!    
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Musically, "Child in Time" is a great song, however I believ the lyrics are bit immature, and finite, Ian Gillan could have sdone more with this tune lyrically
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Never mind the small faces "You Need Loving".  I think JP "borrowed" the riff from an old Willie Dixon song. See link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Dixon
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Originally posted by bsurmano bsurmano wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

It was quite common in the 60's that the bands "borrowed" stuff from other bands - this was and still is an important parameter for music to develop and evolve. The Beatles did it quite extensively. But it doesn't authorize someone to massacre an otherwise great album and give it such a bad rating. There are other, more proper means to express facts and fiction. Like starting this thread.
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I've read kazimir review since it happens to be chronologically first after mine and I've been just waiting to se reaction on it (frankly, I've expected to see it earlier).'Deep Purple in Rock' album consists not only of 'Child In Time' track; there are also other songs which have made this album planetary popular not only at the time of its release but till nowadays. 

Actually, my reacton was earlier. This thread was started in April but someone resurrected it recently.
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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

It was quite common in the 60's that the bands "borrowed" stuff from other bands - this was and still is an important parameter for music to develop and evolve. The Beatles did it quite extensively. But it doesn't authorize someone to massacre an otherwise great album and give it such a bad rating. There are other, more proper means to express facts and fiction. Like starting this thread.
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I've read kazimir review since it happens to be chronologically first after mine and I've been just waiting to se reaction on it (frankly, I've expected to see it earlier).'Deep Purple in Rock' album consists not only of 'Child In Time' track; there are also other songs which have made this album planetary popular not only at the time of its release but till nowadays. 
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Points: 24392 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 08:58
Originally posted by RycheMan RycheMan wrote:

Even if it was stolen, the guitar solo and phenomenal vocals (especially on Made In Japan) make it unique.


Hear, hear! ClapClapClap

I don't want to defend plagiarism in any way (if, indeed, we have a case of out-and-out plagiarism here), but it takes more than copying a few notes to really steal a song from another artist... What DP made with that song lifted it into world-class.
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Yeah, we could go on forever, citing examples where musicians "borrowed" ideas from others. It's not pretty, but...
haven't you ever heard a tune on which you felt that you could make changes, improvements - at least in your mind?
For practicing musicians it must be hard to resist, but crediting the original composer, performer would be preferable, even if it affects royalties from the success. 
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I have tocorrect myself, checking back on my twofor one IABD CD, liner notes are no more than track listings and band line-up details. SO now I'll have to  chewck out my source????

Apologies. - but certainly read in context of being stated by  David LaFlamme with the CD reissue
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