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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 09:10
Bach's music is to be read within a context that is lost now. Some of his works are quite beautifull actually, some of them are just mass production. But he certainly was some kind of a genius, with large amount of Iq and that sorts of things. Like manmy other musicians from the early days of music, the code to undertsand Bach's music is gone with the time, and now, what we have left is some certain sense of "wow, what a job", but the full meaning won't get to us, since culture has advanced and the same way to look at things doesn't apply anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 09:29
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


well, I guess that proves violin player Hilary Hahn wrong, who once stated "some people say: 'I don't like Mozart' or 'I don't like Stravinski', but nobody ever says 'I don't like Bach' " Wink
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Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Of rock (prog?) music, the most famous piece that comes to mind was "Whiter Shade of Pale" though I can't recall off-hand which particualr pice of music it was based on.
I thought that was Albinoni.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 10:23
I am studying counterpoint at the moment and that has given me a whole new perspective on Bach. He really was a genius. I just got the complete two and three part inventions and they blow my mind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:33

Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Of rock (prog?) music, the most famous piece that comes to mind was "Whiter Shade of Pale" though I can't recall off-hand which particualr pice of music it was based on.
I thought that was Albinoni.
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Nope, definitely Bach's Air on a G string.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 15:00
Originally posted by krusty krusty wrote:


Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Of rock (prog?) music, the most famous piece that comes to mind was "Whiter Shade of Pale" though I can't recall off-hand which particualr pice of music it was based on.
I thought that was Albinoni.


Nope, definitely Bach's Air on a G string.

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yes you're right, it is based on the "Air" from Suite no.3  (BWV 1068).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 16:34
I've given reading most of the follow up messages on this thread, they head off in direction not asked originally. So apologies if the following have been mentioned already, lost in a whelter of irrelevancy.
 
Nice took JSB's Brandenberg Concert No 3 - on Ars Longa
Its A Beautiful Day and then Deep Purple lifted a huge chunk from JSB for Bombay Calling/Child In Time
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:37
Gentle Giant are somewhat Bachhy to my ears...
 
Not prog, but the French pianist Jacques Loussier does some terrific Bach jazz-style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 18:07
Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Bach's music is to be read within a context that is lost now. Some of his works are quite beautifull actually, some of them are just mass production. But he certainly was some kind of a genius, with large amount of Iq and that sorts of things. Like manmy other musicians from the early days of music, the code to undertsand Bach's music is gone with the time, and now, what we have left is some certain sense of "wow, what a job", but the full meaning won't get to us, since culture has advanced and the same way to look at things doesn't apply anymore.
Interesting view - forgive me if I'm off on a tangent but Bach composed much of his music on commission, rather than specifically out of any "inspiration" - including the wonderful Brandenburg Concertos.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 19:22
On the Farewell Concert DVD bye Cream Jack Bruce says that JS Bach influenced him a lot. :P
still Cream do not really sound like Bach.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 23:08
I'm not too big on Bach. I much prefer some Haydn, Beethoven or Brahms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 23:13
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

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That's a good one.
 
My view on Bach: While I appreciate much of the Baroque period, as it had an extremely important effect on the way we view music today, I still prefer other periods of classic music. JS Bach is a beast, as is most of his family, amazing that so many were very gifted musicians. My favorite Bach composition to play was excerpts from the French Suites, then of course his preludes and more famous pieces. The Brandenburg Concertos and Goldberg Variations are extremely important.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 00:35
Every musician has to be viewed within his or her own time. It is for example absolutely pointless to ciritisize J. S. Bach because he doesn't sound like Igor Stravinsky. I enjoy both. Bach was the master of the counterpoint, and I really enjoy the complexity of his works. And Stravinsky dropped the musical "atom bomb" (as composer Arthur Honegger called it) "The Rites of Spring" on us. Other composers (too many to mention them all) added their share of music with their developments in their time. Music is in a permanent state of evolution, and contrary to some I doubt we have reached the end of it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 03:01
Originally posted by Manni Manni wrote:

On the Farewell Concert DVD bye Cream Jack Bruce says that JS Bach influenced him a lot. :P
still Cream do not really sound like Bach.
 
Big smile It's possible that Jack said this so he would give an intellectual impression of himself. But Bach did some nice harmonics, and listening his works could give ideas how to arrange different basslines over tenor instrumens.
 
It's a wonderful concert BTW! (very stoned)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 06:28
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

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Yeah, I also forgot this one, even has Bach's Fugue in D Minor on itBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 08:38
Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Bach's music is to be read within a context that is lost now. Some of his works are quite beautifull actually, some of them are just mass production. But he certainly was some kind of a genius, with large amount of Iq and that sorts of things. Like manmy other musicians from the early days of music, the code to undertsand Bach's music is gone with the time, and now, what we have left is some certain sense of "wow, what a job", but the full meaning won't get to us, since culture has advanced and the same way to look at things doesn't apply anymore.
Interesting view - forgive me if I'm off on a tangent but Bach composed much of his music on commission, rather than specifically out of any "inspiration" - including the wonderful Brandenburg Concertos.


How did most of the great classical composers surivive unless they were either under the patronage or choir masters of great (and rich) cathedrals. Hasn't much changed today, composers, (whether serious classical or rock) survive by being commissioned  (e.g. Gary Husband's marvellous Force Majeure project was commissioned by BBC Radio 3), or having a recording contract - several rock musicians talked about contractual obligation recordings (a lot of Pink Floyd post DSOTM, sound that to me) - Monty Python even called one of their albums that.

Bach btw was notorious (like many other 17th and 18th century composers), for recycling his compositions: what might have been originally been part of a choral work ended up as an organ  piece or a concerto or both. However, remember very few people would have the privlege to hear Bach or his works when he alive - the commissioned material would have been restricted to his patron (hence with changes of patron, the chance  "to play that song again in a new setting") or the congregation of a cathedral or church.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 12:03
Nobody has mentioned "Horizons" yet?! By Genesis on Foxtrot, Hackett plays Bach's first Cello suite.

I heard Focus have some Bach in their work too, but I'm not so sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 21:30
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:



Do you know any prog inspired by J. S. Bach's music?

 
Hugh Banton (VdGG) released "The Goldberg Variations". He played organ built by himself. Not Prog.
 
In Prog:
 
An obvious Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson "Bouree"
 
Colosseum in Morituri Te Salutant "Beware the Ides of March" -- the same theme as in Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale"
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 21:36
Originally posted by Bumblebee Man Bumblebee Man wrote:

On the Farewell Concert DVD bye Cream Jack Bruce says that JS Bach influenced him a lot. :P
still Cream do not really sound like Bach.



Bach's influence is plainly obvious on Bruce...  listen to Bruce on Crossroads... a better example of rock bass 'counterpoint' you will never hear..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 21:52
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:



Do you know any prog inspired by J. S. Bach's music?

 
Hugh Banton (VdGG) released "The Goldberg Variations". He played organ built by himself. Not Prog.
 
In Prog:
 
An obvious Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson "Bouree"
 
Colosseum in Morituri Te Salutant "Beware the Ides of March" -- the same theme as in Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale"
 
 


a couple  more.. one that unless I missed it (surprised if not mentioned) RDM - Contaminazione (Bach's Well Tempered Clavier)

Styx - Little Fugue in "G"


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