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cuncuna
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 09:10 |
Bach's music is to be read within a context that is lost now. Some of his works are quite beautifull actually, some of them are just mass production. But he certainly was some kind of a genius, with large amount of Iq and that sorts of things. Like manmy other musicians from the early days of music, the code to undertsand Bach's music is gone with the time, and now, what we have left is some certain sense of "wow, what a job", but the full meaning won't get to us, since culture has advanced and the same way to look at things doesn't apply anymore.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 09:29 |
BaldJean wrote:
well, I guess that proves violin player Hilary Hahn wrong, who once
stated "some people say: 'I don't like Mozart' or 'I don't like
Stravinski', but nobody ever says 'I don't like Bach' "
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Always the contrarian, me.
Phil wrote:
Of rock (prog?) music, the most famous piece that comes to mind
was "Whiter Shade of Pale" though I can't recall off-hand which
particualr pice of music it was based on. |
I thought that was Albinoni.
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thellama73
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 10:23 |
I am studying counterpoint at the moment and that has given me a whole
new perspective on Bach. He really was a genius. I just got the
complete two and three part inventions and they blow my mind.
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krusty
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 11:33 |
Phil wrote:
Of rock (prog?) music, the most famous piece that comes to mind
was "Whiter Shade of Pale" though I can't recall off-hand which
particualr pice of music it was based on. |
I thought that was Albinoni.
[/QUOTE] Nope, definitely Bach's Air on a G string.
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mystic fred
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 15:00 |
krusty wrote:
Phil wrote:
Of rock (prog?) music, the most famous piece that comes to mind was "Whiter Shade of Pale" though I can't recall off-hand which particualr pice of music it was based on. | I thought that was Albinoni.
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Nope, definitely Bach's Air on a G string. [/QUOTE]
yes you're right, it is based on the "Air" from Suite no.3 (BWV 1068).
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Dick Heath
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 16:34 |
I've given reading most of the follow up messages on this thread, they head off in direction not asked originally. So apologies if the following have been mentioned already, lost in a whelter of irrelevancy.
Nice took JSB's Brandenberg Concert No 3 - on Ars Longa
Its A Beautiful Day and then Deep Purple lifted a huge chunk from JSB for Bombay Calling/Child In Time
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:37 |
Gentle Giant are somewhat Bachhy to my ears...
Not prog, but the French pianist Jacques Loussier does some terrific Bach jazz-style.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:48 |
Check out the first Egg album
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Phil
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 18:07 |
cuncuna wrote:
Bach's music is to be read within a context that is lost now. Some of his works are quite beautifull actually, some of them are just mass production. But he certainly was some kind of a genius, with large amount of Iq and that sorts of things. Like manmy other musicians from the early days of music, the code to undertsand Bach's music is gone with the time, and now, what we have left is some certain sense of "wow, what a job", but the full meaning won't get to us, since culture has advanced and the same way to look at things doesn't apply anymore. |
Interesting view - forgive me if I'm off on a tangent but Bach composed much of his music on commission, rather than specifically out of any "inspiration" - including the wonderful Brandenburg Concertos.
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Bumblebee Man
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 19:22 |
On the Farewell Concert DVD bye Cream Jack Bruce says that JS Bach influenced him a lot. :P
still Cream do not really sound like Bach.
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Zoso
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 23:08 |
I'm not too big on Bach. I much prefer some Haydn, Beethoven or Brahms.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 23:13 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Check out the first Egg album |
That's a good one.
My view on Bach: While I appreciate much of the Baroque period, as it had an extremely important effect on the way we view music today, I still prefer other periods of classic music. JS Bach is a beast, as is most of his family, amazing that so many were very gifted musicians. My favorite Bach composition to play was excerpts from the French Suites, then of course his preludes and more famous pieces. The Brandenburg Concertos and Goldberg Variations are extremely important.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 00:35 |
Every musician has to be viewed within his or her own time. It is for
example absolutely pointless to ciritisize J. S. Bach because he
doesn't sound like Igor Stravinsky. I enjoy both. Bach was the master
of the counterpoint, and I really enjoy the complexity of his works.
And Stravinsky dropped the musical "atom bomb" (as composer Arthur
Honegger called it) "The Rites of Spring" on us. Other composers (too
many to mention them all) added their share of music with their
developments in their time. Music is in a permanent state of evolution,
and contrary to some I doubt we have reached the end of it.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 03:01 |
Manni wrote:
On the Farewell Concert DVD bye Cream Jack Bruce says that JS Bach influenced him a lot. :P
still Cream do not really sound like Bach. |
It's possible that Jack said this so he would give an intellectual impression of himself. But Bach did some nice harmonics, and listening his works could give ideas how to arrange different basslines over tenor instrumens.
It's a wonderful concert BTW! (very stoned)
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krusty
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 06:28 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Check out the first Egg album |
Yeah, I also forgot this one, even has Bach's Fugue in D Minor on it
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Dick Heath
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 08:38 |
Phil wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
Bach's music is to be read within a context
that is lost now. Some of his works are quite beautifull actually, some
of them are just mass production. But he certainly was some kind of a
genius, with large amount of Iq and that sorts of things. Like manmy
other musicians from the early days of music, the code to undertsand
Bach's music is gone with the time, and now, what we have left is some
certain sense of "wow, what a job", but the full meaning won't get to
us, since culture has advanced and the same way to look at things
doesn't apply anymore. | Interesting view - forgive me if I'm off
on a tangent but Bach composed much of his music on commission, rather
than specifically out of any "inspiration" - including the wonderful
Brandenburg Concertos. |
How did most of the great classical composers surivive unless they were
either under the patronage or choir masters of great (and rich)
cathedrals. Hasn't much changed today, composers, (whether serious
classical or rock) survive by being commissioned (e.g. Gary
Husband's marvellous Force Majeure project was commissioned by BBC
Radio 3), or having a recording contract - several rock musicians
talked about contractual obligation recordings (a lot of Pink Floyd
post DSOTM, sound that to me) - Monty Python even called one of their
albums that.
Bach btw was notorious (like many other 17th and 18th century
composers), for recycling his compositions: what might have been
originally been part of a choral work ended up as an organ piece
or a concerto or both. However, remember very few people would have the
privlege to hear Bach or his works when he alive - the commissioned
material would have been restricted to his patron (hence with changes
of patron, the chance "to play that song again in a new setting")
or the congregation of a cathedral or church.
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Rosescar
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 12:03 |
Nobody has mentioned "Horizons" yet?! By Genesis on Foxtrot, Hackett plays Bach's first Cello suite.
I heard Focus have some Bach in their work too, but I'm not so sure.
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Fassbinder
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 21:30 |
Tuzvihar wrote:
Do you know any prog inspired by J. S. Bach's music?
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Hugh Banton (VdGG) released "The Goldberg Variations". He played organ built by himself. Not Prog.
In Prog:
An obvious Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson "Bouree"
Colosseum in Morituri Te Salutant "Beware the Ides of March" -- the same theme as in Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale"
Edited by Fassbinder - July 12 2006 at 21:32
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micky
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 21:36 |
Bumblebee Man wrote:
On the Farewell Concert DVD bye Cream Jack Bruce says that JS Bach influenced him a lot. :P
still Cream do not really sound like Bach. |
Bach's influence is plainly obvious on Bruce... listen to Bruce
on Crossroads... a better example of rock bass 'counterpoint' you will
never hear..
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micky
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 21:52 |
Fassbinder wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
Do you know any prog inspired by J. S. Bach's music?
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Hugh Banton (VdGG) released "The Goldberg Variations". He played organ built by himself. Not Prog.
In Prog:
An obvious Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson "Bouree"
Colosseum in Morituri Te Salutant "Beware the Ides of March" -- the same theme as in Procol Harum "Whiter Shade of Pale"
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a couple more.. one that unless I missed it (surprised if not
mentioned) RDM - Contaminazione (Bach's Well Tempered Clavier)
Styx - Little Fugue in "G"
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