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    Posted: December 17 2004 at 17:25
Originally posted by Emperor Emperor wrote:

At 1st can you tell about Mastermind, JedHead? I heard a lot of good suggestions about this band but still never had a chance to listen it...

I see you've missed a Legend of Progressive! I mean Van Der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill. You need to buy a lot of. Especially any VDGG's 70-76 record (most especially PAWN HEARTS!) and Hammill's THE SILENT CORNER AND THE EMPTY STAGE (1973), OVER (1977), THE FUTURE NOW (1978), FOOL'S MATE (1971), THE BLACK BOX (1980), ENTER K (1982), FIRESHIPS (1992), LOOPS AND REELS (1983), ROARING FORTIES (1994), THIS (1998) and NONE OF THE ABOVE (2000) - any of these albums is Masterpiece!

Also you've missed of Good-Old Prog: Frank Zappa, Gentle Giant (any of 70-76 albums!), Gong (69-74, 92-2003), Procol Harum (67-73), Manfred Mann (73-82), Roxy Music (73-76), Supertramp (70, 74-85, 97), Renaissance (69-77), Pavlovs Dog (75-76), Hawkwind, Druid, Gracious, Pentacle, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Lucio Battisti, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Locanda Delle Fate, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Il Balletto Di Bronzo, Trip, Osage Tribe, Arti Et Mestieri, New Trolls, Omega, Supersister, Saga... All of these are Progressive of its best quality.

Also a lot of solo-albums by Peter Gabriel (!), Anthony Phillips, Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Brian Eno, Robert Fripp (!), Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, Ian Anderson, Martin Barre...

What about such Prog-Metal names as Garden Wall, Sieges Even, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate and Queensryche (86-94)?

And about newer "pure" Prog Bands - Citizen Cain, Cast, After Crying, Solaris, Inquire, Taproban, Jesdat, Minimum Vital, Sonus Umbra, Isildurs Bane, Anglagard, Anekdoten, Landberk, Sinkadus...

 

Ya know, I forgot to list even more.  I have a dozen Renaissance albums, and more Zappa ones.  I have two Gental Giant albums, and some Supertramp ones too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2004 at 11:33

Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

I'd say Jed has a good start. In a few years, you may have 0.000175 of Dick Heath's collection.

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Sorry I was in dark corner practicing being simultaneously pretentious and eclectic whilst listening to Anekdoten's Vermod, (with the bass level set at max on the discman) - and the bloody day job keeps interferring with more important matters.............. Also going through recordings which have come my way this year to compile a 3 hour radio show of the best (IMHO) of 2004 - it's on tonight.

 

Contrary to Danbo's suggestion (........I wish....), of the original list at the top of the thread I have to admit either I haven't got or even heard the following:

 Pain of Salvation, Angra,   Nightwish, Within Temptation, Digital Ruin, Shadow Gallery, Pendragon, RPWL, Arena, Ayreon, , Devin Townsend, Mezarkabul,  Opeth, Trent Gardner, Conception, Vanden Plas,  Vanishing Point, Conception,  Dali's Dilemma, Dreamscape, Pagan's Mind, Empty Tremor,  Frameshift, Green Carnation, Conspiracy,  Shaman, Evergrey, Meshuggah, Wolverine, Event, Zen,  Mind Odyssey, Ice Age, Ion Vein, Ivory Tower, Lemur Voice, Sun Caged, Superior, Madsword,  Orphanage, Silent Force, Proto ~ Kaw, Seventh Key, TOC, Mullmuzzler,Magellan,  NDV, Brainstorm, Ryo Okumoto,  Ritual, Jughead, Kaipa, Magnitude 9, Star One, Elegy, Jim Matheos, Savatage, Dead Soul Tribe, Geoff Tate, Into Eternity,  Ivory Towner, Ray Wilson, and Prymary.

but I'm slowly working on it - and one of the pleasures of Prog Archives is to learn more. Although there are several bands listed, with whom  I have real problems understanding why they are considered prog - e.g.  Satriani , Kings X. This reflects that prog increasing is all things to all men (and some women) at least on this forum. Just waiting for somebody to propose the Bay City Rollers..................

With such a breadth of music, I would suggest going to the dim distant past to get an understanding of prog's evolution, so check proto-prog bands e.g. Vanilla Fudge, even Electric Prunes (e.g. Mass), Tomorrow. Then the early American prog bands too often ignored and forgotten, e.g.  Touch and United States Of America. Get the first recordings (if not in your collection already) by Krimson and Renaissance (and take my word for it), consider how radically different and new these records where when they were released in 1969. For prog evolving, one of the best examples on record is Soft Machine: BBC 1967 to 1971 and BBC 1971 to 1974. Check the first two Yes albums Yes and Time & The Word, and consider whether they were playing fairly sophisticated rock or early prog rock. Find the rock operas: SF Sorrow (Pretty Things), Tommy & Quadraphenia (Who), Village Preservation Society (Kinks), Teen Opera (Keith West - formerly of Tomorrow), and the original studio recording of Jesus Christ Superstar.

Finally, mentioned elsewhere (and especially if you can get them cheap) two 3 CD box sets of mostly underground and progressive music from 1966 to 1975:

Legend Of A Mind (Decca records)

All Good Clean Fun: The Liberty & UA Years (EMI Records)

And try come back for recommendations in krautrock.

Finally anybody mentioned Todd Rundgren's Initiation and Utopia albums?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2004 at 02:05

At 1st can you tell about Mastermind, JedHead? I heard a lot of good suggestions about this band but still never had a chance to listen it...

I see you've missed a Legend of Progressive! I mean Van Der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill. You need to buy a lot of. Especially any VDGG's 70-76 record (most especially PAWN HEARTS!) and Hammill's THE SILENT CORNER AND THE EMPTY STAGE (1973), OVER (1977), THE FUTURE NOW (1978), FOOL'S MATE (1971), THE BLACK BOX (1980), ENTER K (1982), FIRESHIPS (1992), LOOPS AND REELS (1983), ROARING FORTIES (1994), THIS (1998) and NONE OF THE ABOVE (2000) - any of these albums is Masterpiece!

Also you've missed of Good-Old Prog: Frank Zappa, Gentle Giant (any of 70-76 albums!), Gong (69-74, 92-2003), Procol Harum (67-73), Manfred Mann (73-82), Roxy Music (73-76), Supertramp (70, 74-85, 97), Renaissance (69-77), Pavlovs Dog (75-76), Hawkwind, Druid, Gracious, Pentacle, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Lucio Battisti, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Locanda Delle Fate, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Il Balletto Di Bronzo, Trip, Osage Tribe, Arti Et Mestieri, New Trolls, Omega, Supersister, Saga... All of these are Progressive of its best quality.

Also a lot of solo-albums by Peter Gabriel (!), Anthony Phillips, Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Brian Eno, Robert Fripp (!), Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, Ian Anderson, Martin Barre...

What about such Prog-Metal names as Garden Wall, Sieges Even, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate and Queensryche (86-94)?

And about newer "pure" Prog Bands - Citizen Cain, Cast, After Crying, Solaris, Inquire, Taproban, Jesdat, Minimum Vital, Sonus Umbra, Isildurs Bane, Anglagard, Anekdoten, Landberk, Sinkadus...

I Prophesy Disaster...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2004 at 00:35

Originally posted by Rob The Plant Rob The Plant wrote:

Focus, get focus. They are indeed Dutch masters.

 

Yes, I do own several Focus albums.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 21:32
yea i remember making that thread tuxon! i was asking for some good italian bands. you shoud check it out!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 20:29
How about Godspeed You Black Emperor?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 20:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 19:36

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Italian Symphonic rock is very nice (if you don't mind italian lyrics) I'm not an expert, but there's a thread from a couple of days back where you can find some good suggestions (Museo Rosenbach, Bicicletto something)

I could go for some Itallian lyrics.  I am a vocal student in college right now, so I am used to singing in Itallian.

 

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Canterbury can be nice (Caravan, Can, Camel, any band that starts whith Ca,.)

 

I have two albums by Camel.  Isn't Canterbury just a form of prog rock from that section of England?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 19:32

Where's Dick Heath when you need him

 

Italian Symphonic rock is very nice (if you don't mind italian lyrics) I'm not an expert, but there's a thread from a couple of days back where you can find some good suggestions (Museo Rosenbach, Bicicletto something)

Canterbury can be nice (Caravan, Can, Camel, any band that starts whith Ca,.)

Steve Hillage (Fish rising)

Magma, if you want to get spooked.

Overhead's Zumanthum is a good album

Echolyn and side projects are interresting, I'm just beginning to enjoy it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 19:14

Originally posted by Arioch Arioch wrote:

Wow! He says he has been visiting this site for several years and I was under the impression that this was a relatively new site.

Well I know have been visting this site for at least two years.  Now I may be mistaken, but it has got to be that long. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 19:13
Originally posted by K00l Prog Guruz K00l Prog Guruz wrote:

How is the underground Prog Scene in your town?

Well there is not a huge scene here, since I live is a rather small town.  But there are several prog musicans, and we all work together.  We occationally do some work with a band called The Red Death, a death metal band signed to Metal Blade.

 

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Żou should have made the question more precies.

Do you want to proceed within the styles as played by the mentioned bands.

Then try

IQ (neo-prog, similar to Pendragon/marillion/arena/some Genesis/some rush)

Eloy (debut album sounds somewhat like an Uriah Heep album, later works relate to Pink Floyd, Pendragon(other way around I guess).

Riverside, Out of myself, very good, Think you'll like it.

Arcturus, Nightwish, Within Temptation, or other Gothic prog cq progmetal.

If your looking for something different to explore, then try to specify on how different it can be, or what you don't like or do like in music.

BTW. Tomas Bodin is mentioned twice, does that mean you have two albums by him.

 

I can't belive I left out IQ and Eloy.  I own several albums from both of them.

Thanks for the other suggestions.

TO be a bit more percise, I am just looking for more bands, new sub-generas of prog I have yet to discover.  It almost seems like I have hit a wall.  I own all the albums by DT, Rush, Yes (well the real Yes, not any of the posuer rehashes) SX, SB, Neil Morse, Pink Floyd, Evergrey, ect.  So I am just searching for more stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 18:55
Wow! He says he has been visiting this site for several years and I was under the impression that this was a relatively new site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 18:42
I'd say Jed has a good start. In a few years, you may have 0.000175 of Dick Heath's collection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 17:55
Thanx man, I already had most of it, just for completionists then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 17:50

Actually, here's a few you are missing:

http://www.xrecords.co.uk/downloads/rock.zip

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 17:44

Żou should have made the question more precies.

Do you want to proceed within the styles as played by the mentioned bands.

Then try

IQ (neo-prog, similar to Pendragon/marillion/arena/some Genesis/some rush)

Eloy (debut album sounds somewhat like an Uriah Heep album, later works relate to Pink Floyd, Pendragon(other way around I guess).

Riverside, Out of myself, very good, Think you'll like it.

Arcturus, Nightwish, Within Temptation, or other Gothic prog cq progmetal.

If your looking for something different to explore, then try to specify on how different it can be, or what you don't like or do like in music.

BTW. Tomas Bodin is mentioned twice, does that mean you have two albums by him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 17:02
well its sseems that your a big die hard prog meteal fan. I strongly suggest you get hawkwind! i KNOW youll;ll lkike it. there extreme crazy rock!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 16:49

How is the underground Prog Scene in your town?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 16:45
You don't own any Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2004 at 16:35

Do you like the CD's you own?

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