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erik neuteboom 
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 Topic: Syd: Astronomy Domine and Scarecrow prog classics?
Posted: July 11 2006 at 18:19 |
Hello.
Poor genius Syd passed away, now my question is what you think about his most stunning compositions like Arnold Layne, See Emily Play, Astronomy Domine, Scarecrow and Interstellar Overdrive (or others). Are these progrock classics like the 'symphonic rock dinosaur' compositions In The Court Of The Crimson King, Close To The Edge, Firth Of Fifth, Tarkus or ... ?
In my opinion these are because all sound innovative and compelling, I am very curious to your opinion?!
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Teaflax
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 18:23 |
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To me they have some of the songwriting aspects that should be in good
Prog, like uncommon melodies and chord sequences, but they lack the
structure and other details to make them full-on Prog.
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 18:35 |
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They lack the structure and complexity and scope to be prog classics, IMHO, but I think they are more raw and down to earth sounding, and in a sense that's a good thing. I'm happy you mentioned The Scarecrow because even though it is short and simple, It's my favorite on Piper (with Matilda Mother following) and one of the most personal sounding and beautiful songs EVER. They do bring something to the table and I like them just as much as the others, but Pink Floyd was too in their infancy to be compared to the others you stated.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 18:39 |
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Thanks for your reactions, I agree that these abovementioned compostions are more raw and perhaps less structured but especially Astronomy Domine and Scarecrow are splendid arranged songs that succeed to take you away as no band ever did before ..
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:02 |
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:08 |
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It has always been hard for me to compare Pink Floyd (any era) with any other band. They are just too unique. Those songs are all calssics. Full on prog classics, I don't know. They rate very highly in my book, no matter what the classification.
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ProgFan
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:19 |
 erik neuteboom wrote:
In my opinion these are because all sound innovative and compelling, I am very curious to your opinion?!
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I agree with that!
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 20:19 |
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They're psycadelic masterpieces (not the overrated Interstellar overdrive, though).
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Rust
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 20:46 |
I love Piper for its shorter songs as a matter of fact. I think that's where you find the beauty and heart of the album.
Songs like, Flaming, The Scarecrow, The Gnome, Bike, and Ch. 24. These songs really send me away. And ofcourse there are the space rockers that get their deserved attention that I don't need to mention.
I think if you compare these songs to any of the other songs by the big prog acts of that time, then yes, they are genuine classics that should be ranked with the best of them.
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:14 |
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Interstellar Overdrive, Bike, Astronomy Domine, Scarecrow and A Saucefull of Secrets are my favourites of Syd era.
The best of early prog.
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:30 |
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I don't consider piper to be prog-rock. Yes they had some prog elements such, but I consider songs such as Astronomy Domine to be a classic in psychedelic rock.
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:31 |
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as a matter of fact, if there was the phrase psychedelic rock in an encyclopedia, I wouldn't be suprised one bit if at the top of the Examples list was Astronomy Domine. It's the quintessential psychedelic song
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:38 |
Viajero Astral wrote:
Interstellar Overdrive, Bike, Astronomy Domine, Scarecrow and A Saucefull of Secrets are my favourites of Syd era.
The best of early prog.
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While Syd was in the band at the time Saucerful of Secrets (the album) was recorded, he only really played a major part on opne song which was Jugband Blues, Syd's last song with the Floyd. A Saucerful (song) was played by David.
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:45 |
Oh, right, I forgot that 
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 01:52 |
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You cant compare Pink Floyd with other bands,they are apart.As you cant compare Syd Barett with other Prog Musicians outside of Pink Floyd.
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Ars longa , vita brevis
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Legoman
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 01:58 |
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Those peices are, in the very least, extremely innovative towards the psycedelic genre. It's hard to compare a sub-par (yet a much loved by myself) genre to such powerful albums like Selling England by the Pound.
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 02:52 |
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But they're still prog, no matter how many masterpieces was created in the 70's, the 60's Pink Floyd was the first steep to create truly prog.
Edited by Viajero Astral - July 12 2006 at 02:52
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 02:57 |
 They are classic Pink Floyd songs.
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 04:20 |
ProgFan wrote:
erik neuteboom wrote:
In my opinion these are because all sound innovative and compelling, I am very curious to your opinion?!
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I agree with that! |
Me too. But I still think the first real prog sounding classics are on ITCOTCK.
In '67 you have Days of Future Passed, Seargent Pepper, Absolutely
Free, Forever Changes, Surrealistic Pillow, Velvet & Nico, first
two Jimi hendrix and Doors... None of these sound like prog. Nothing
did yet. This and the next year is the peak of psychedelia, Piper... to
me is the ultimate masterpiece in that genre, not in prog.
The earliest Floyd singles and debut album are defenatly one of the
most important infuences on all 70's prog. Especially the german
krautrockers, all spacerock and Canterbury bands. But almost all
progbands has a lot of psychedelia and whimsical parts (like King
Crimson, Yes and even Gentle Giant). I'm sure they all had listened a
lot to Barretts songs.
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Find a fly and eat his eye
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 05:11 |
Yesterday evening I had my Syd Barrett tribute at my balcony, with my portable dvd player and a nice beer I watched Syd Barrett Pink Floyd era footage. I won't be surprised if several King Crimson members will reveal that 67-69 Pink Floyd was an important source of inspiration. In my opinion, as other reactions pointed at, many adventurous and whimsical psychedelic bands were pivotal for the development of the progressive rock.
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