Carrying contraceptives

NaturalScience wrote: Couldn't tell if your apology was sincere or not - but let's not quarrel further.  Peace.

Well, as a teen, I've decided to wait until marriage, on religious grounds, but also on personal beliefs, because I've seen careless sex ruin many lives (especially my poor little half brother's.....his mom and my dad hate each other) so I'm not taking any chances. Personally, I don't think I'd let my children carry contraceptives, but I'd also make sure to teach them about what it is, not necessarily using fear tactics though. As a side note, this is all hypothetical because I'm waiting until marriage, and the probability of anyone liking me for any reason at this point is about .001 percent so I may as well go and become a eunuch. (If you can't tell, I really don't care much about sex, whereas a lot of people my age, it's the only thing they think about. These people are called "athletes")

Sean Trane wrote:   Actually AIDS is a relatively hard virus to transmit! I mean you must screw the person without a condom to get it! That means you must REALLY want to get it badly to have it For an educated person in the Western world, this seems like it would be the case, however I urge you to view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic. Look on the subsection entitled sub-Saharan Africa.  Look at the infection rates in some of those countries, and then tell me this is not a public health disaster.   ever heard of H5N1??? Yes, there was really no need to insult my intelligence to make your point.  I've only spoken to the worldwide infection rates and worldwide deaths due to AIDS; any comparison of its contagiousness and lethal quickness to other viruses were not made, and are not relevant to my point.

maani wrote: Sean:   You said, "While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene...into whether to keep going in that relatioh[ship]."   I used to think that way, until I put that very question to a young woman Christian friend of mine who told me that she was going to wait until she was married before having sex.  When I brought up your point, she said, "You could not be more wrong.  If both of you are willing to build a relationship on the things that really matter - love, mutual respect and admiration, companionship, sharing, compromise, humor, shared likes, and even limitd but loving physical affection - and you do this for a year or two or more, how can the sex be anything but great?  Because the physical chemistry was clearly there to begin with, and even if inadequacies or problems exist, you will know how to work through them, where others will simply give up and walk out."  This young lady has the purest and most naïve image of marriage >> she has been reading to many romantic novels and is set up for the greatest of disillusuon >>> how many marriages had to be dissolved for reasons of non-consumption? Even the church resorted to it.  How do you know the person you marry is not some kind of deviant, pervert or simply impotent?   I would add that although economic reasons account for most divorces, it has been estimated that sex is the second most common cause for divorce: because the relationship was built at least partly if not largely (or even primarily) on sex >>> come on!!! what is the percentage of those marriage being built primarily on sex?? less than 5% , maybe!!! , if and when the sex "goes bad," the relationship will suffer disproportionately, especially if the couple does has not developed the "tools" to work through the problem.  I will challenge this!   1. Economic >> OK I can believe it 2. chronic infidelity or falling in love with another person on one side 3. Tempers not agreeing on anything anymore 4. sex goes bad >> either boredom or illness issues   >>> If the sex was great before marriage, it is likely to remain great after it, unless one becomes bored with the repetition

Majestic_Mayhem wrote: A friend and I was talking about this earlier. I would like to hear from the fathers here in the forum. I  am not for carrying or using contrceptives outside marriage. To be honest, I havent bought or used a condom in my entire 23 years... and yes, I'm still a virgin.. Conservative?? I think I am. I believe that sex, is  only for married couples (of the oppossite sex) Now, please, dont get me wrong. I'm not in favor of having premarital sex. And I wouldnt let my son or my daughter carry and/or use contraceptives  out of marriage. Please keep this clean. No personnal or religious attacks. I just want to know your views. Thanks!

Maani, I was waiting for you!

Sean:

For Hugues (sorry not to quote all of your message, but Ivan's style is not for me!):

I agree on many of the things you said, and also on the fact that women nowadays are trying to imitate the worst sides of men. I have also suffered a lot at the hands of women - obviously not in a romantic or sexual sense (I've always been into men only), but in such situations as the workplace or even friendship, so I know that women can be as mean as men, and even worse.

I'm no man-basher by any means: I love being in the company of men, and I prefer them as friends and colleagues. That said, I can't forget those who hurt me or made me feel inadequate for most of my life. As to women "crying for sensitive men" and then falling for j***s, I've never been one of these. I'm an extremely honest person and I've never been attracted by macho types. I've also never fled from somebody who said he loved me, if I loved him in return. One thing you can believe about me: I've never played any games with men, as I don't do in any kind of relationship. I'm about as open and honest as you can find, and you would realise it immediately should you meet me in person (which I hope will happen soon ).

Ghost Rider wrote: Hugues, yours is the point of view of a decent human being, who respects others as well as himself. >> surely that is a majority of the people you desctibe here. The point of having sex with another person is to share pleasure (this means reciprocated pleasure or else there will not be a second or next time).       You'd be surprised at the number of people who use sex to harm others - and I'm not talking about rape (which has nothing to do with sex, anyway). Having sex with somebody who is in love with you when you are not is a wonderful way of hurting them, especially when you can't be honest about that from the very beginning. >>> well this lack of honesty is also understandable, since one is often afraid of opening up to the other >> especially with today's women: tell them you love them a bit too quickly (by being sensitive) and you find that they will flee!   While women cry out for sensitive men, I actually think they are out for the strong type that can be sensitive once in a whilm and not the sensitive men that can be occasionally strong. This double language from women is quite confusing , but the women do not control who they are attracted to, but generally it is jerks they fall for, and the "nice guys" can f**k off (unfortunately only figuratively speaking) This is why I tend to endorse Bhikkhu's views, which are quite rare in men, and nowadays also in women. I think I told you once that the sad thing is that women are trying to be the equal of men by imitating the men's worst sides (love, driving, opportunist careers, kick boxing etc...) and this is only making them wrong about it   It's not moralism, but rather a moral issue - to me, immorality is making others suffer. I hold these views because I've suffered a lot in the past because of men's dishonest behaviour.  Highly biased comment , sister >>> women are just as dishonnest and even more manipulative re: sex and love than men are. And they know the formulas well: the way to a man's body is through his balls, but the way to his heart is through his stomach >>> the only one of those female proverbs I see fit to print here       And I could write a book about the appreciation thing... If you mean "fancy", that's one thing - pure physical chemistry. Appreciation goes deeper, and involves other aspects than the purely physical.  >>> if you are talking of deceiving the other just in terms to be able to screw him or her, then you get into another debate, we are talking of consenting adults with reasonably honesty  >> this is still over 90% of the population.   But this concerns only a small part of males which have predatory instincts and usually hang out in disco and bars. But are the women hanging out in such places not yet aware and therefore willing toplay that game . Therefore we are spaking of consenting adults also That said, I agree with you that it's best to try sex soon in a relationship, unless one is only interested in only having a spiritual bond with their partner.

I think parents should not scare their children into not having sex. Sex is beautiful ( again ) when it is done within marriage IMO. Youngsters nowadays get all impulsive and stuff and jump right at the opportunity of having it. specially with the protection we now have.In the end, they just get hurt. Jumping from one sexual relationship to another. For me, if youre not ready for the result of sex, even if you think that it is the right thing to do at that time, if youre not ready-- then better not do it. Parents play a very imprtant role here, I think all of us will agree.  Not forcing anything though.