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Sean Trane 
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 Posted: July 26 2006 at 10:54 |
 Ghost Rider wrote:
For Hugues (sorry not to quote all of your message, but Ivan's style is not for me! ): >>> great I do not think this site is ready for a female Ivān The Terrible
I agree on many of the things you said, and also on the fact that women nowadays are trying to imitate the worst sides of men. I have also suffered a lot at the hands of women - obviously not in a romantic or sexual sense (I've always been into men only), but in such situations as the workplace or even friendship, so I know that women can be as mean as men, and even worse.
I'm no man-basher by any means: I love being in the company of men, and I prefer them as friends and colleagues. That said, I can't forget those who hurt me or made me feel inadequate for most of my life. As to women "crying for sensitive men" and then falling for j***s, I've never been one of these. I'm an extremely honest person and I've never been attracted by macho types. I've also never fled from somebody who said he loved me, if I loved him in return. One thing you can believe about me: I've never played any games with men, as I don't do in any kind of relationship. I'm about as open and honest as you can find, and you would realise it immediately should you meet me in person (which I hope will happen soon ).
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Hoping to meet you soon, yo!
Of course when I make these statement, they are general , and certainly not aimed at the few women present on our forums.
The last thing I would want is to aleniate them and have this place becoming a male pigsty 
UUuurrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!........... 
Just the thought of an all male place, with dirty clothes hanging all over the plce, last month's dishes still waitong to be done and the stained Penthouse mags 
YYYyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................... 
Long live women!!! 
JEFFERSON AIRPLANE LOVES YOU
Fly Jefferson airplane, won't you fly?
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maani
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Joined: January 30 2004
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Posted: July 27 2006 at 18:45 |
Sean:
You said, "While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene...into whether to keep going in that relatioh[ship]."
I used to think that way, until I put that very question to a young woman Christian friend of mine who told me that she was going to wait until she was married before having sex. When I brought up your point, she said, "You could not be more wrong. If both of you are willing to build a relationship on the things that really matter - love, mutual respect and admiration, companionship, sharing, compromise, humor, shared likes, and even limitd but loving physical affection - and you do this for a year or two or more, how can the sex be anything but great? Because the physical chemistry was clearly there to begin with, and even if inadequacies or problems exist, you will know how to work through them, where others will simply give up and walk out."
I would add that although economic reasons account for most divorces, it has been estimated that sex is the second most common cause for divorce: because the relationship was built at least partly if not largely (or even primarily) on sex, if and when the sex "goes bad," the relationship will suffer disproportionately, especially if the couple does has not developed the "tools" to work through the problem.
Ghost Rider:
You said, "I refuse to think that two people...who live together without being married, but loving, respecting and supporting each other, are inferior to those who have had works said over them be a priest or town official."
What most people don't realize is that "traditional" marriage - i.e., one that includes a marriage "license" - is really a "legal contract" between three parties: the husband, the wife and the state. I would agree with you in that regard. However, as a minister, I will not marry two people who I am not convinced are entering into marriage for the correct reasons, with the proper understanding of what it means to love each other "for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, till death do you part." However, if I am convinced of this after meeting with the couple a few times prior to the wedding, then I will marry them whether or not they choose to get a formal marriage license. Because for me, obviously, it is far more important that they understand what it means to be married in God's sight than in the state's.
Peace.
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Man With Hat
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Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: July 27 2006 at 19:06 |
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Of course.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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JayDee
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Posted: July 27 2006 at 19:44 |
Maani, I was waiting for you! 
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Padraic
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Posted: July 27 2006 at 22:41 |
Let me just say the following:
Every action has consequences.
Sex is an enormous responsibility with enormous consequences.
If you are going to have sex and are not planning to conceive,
protection is obviously essential from not only a pregnancy standpoint
but a disease and public health standpoint. Think AIDS is no big
deal? AIDS has claimed the lives of 25 million people worldwide - it is the biggest epidemic in the history of mankind.
The health issue aside, realize that even with condoms/BC pills, there
is not 100% effectiveness. So the possibility exists that
you/your partner could get pregnant. Ask yourself if you are
willing to accept the risk, and the consequences of that result.
Ask yourself how you feel about abortion. If more people put some
more thought into sex, maybe we wouldn't have all the problems we have
in this world (I know, I know, wishful thinking), but please - do NOT
think of sex as just harmless fun with no consequences.
And if you think having a baby and taking care of it would be easy, I
assure you it is not. Especially for young teens and adults.
Sermon over.
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Dream Theater
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Joined: December 14 2004
Location: Peru
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Posted: July 27 2006 at 23:34 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
A friend and I was talking about this earlier. I would like to hear from the fathers here in the forum.
I am not for carrying or using contrceptives outside marriage. To be honest, I havent bought or used a condom in my entire 23 years... and yes, I'm still a virgin.. Conservative?? I think I am.
I believe that sex, is only for married couples (of the oppossite sex)
Now, please, dont get me wrong. I'm not in favor of having premarital sex. And I wouldnt let my son or my daughter carry and/or use contraceptives out of marriage.
Please keep this clean. No personnal or religious attacks. I just want to know your views.
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I agree with the fact that sex is only for married couples and of course I wouldn't let my son neither to carry contraceptives.
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Sean Trane
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Joined: April 29 2004
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Points: 19694
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 03:39 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Let me just say the following:
Think AIDS is no big deal? AIDS has claimed the lives of 25 million people worldwide - it is the biggest epidemic in the history of mankind. >>> not quite so! The Spanish flu eradicated up to 36 millions in the aftermath of the first world war in just two years time.
Actually AIDS is a relatively hard virus to transmit! I mean you must screw the person without a condom to get it! That means you must REALLY want to get it badly to have it
ever heard of H5N1???  The health issue aside, realize that even with condoms/BC pills, there is not 100% effectiveness. So the possibility exists that you/your partner could get pregnant. Ask yourself if you are willing to accept the risk, and the consequences of that result. Ask yourself how you feel about abortion. If more people put some more thought into sex, maybe we wouldn't have all the problems we have in this world (I know, I know, wishful thinking), but please - do NOT think of sex as just harmless fun with no consequences. >>> if people were making love a lot more than making war, the world would be a much safer place
Sermon over. ^
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Sean Trane
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Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Points: 19694
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 03:52 |
maani wrote:
Sean:
You said, "While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene...into whether to keep going in that relatioh[ship]."
I used to think that way, until I put that very question to a young woman Christian friend of mine who told me that she was going to wait until she was married before having sex. When I brought up your point, she said, "You could not be more wrong. If both of you are willing to build a relationship on the things that really matter - love, mutual respect and admiration, companionship, sharing, compromise, humor, shared likes, and even limitd but loving physical affection - and you do this for a year or two or more, how can the sex be anything but great? Because the physical chemistry was clearly there to begin with, and even if inadequacies or problems exist, you will know how to work through them, where others will simply give up and walk out." This young lady has the purest and most naīve image of marriage >> she has been reading to many romantic novels and is set up for the greatest of disillusuon >>> how many marriages had to be dissolved for reasons of non-consumption? Even the church resorted to it. How do you know the person you marry is not some kind of deviant, pervert or simply impotent?
I would add that although economic reasons account for most divorces, it has been estimated that sex is the second most common cause for divorce: because the relationship was built at least partly if not largely (or even primarily) on sex >>> come on!!! what is the percentage of those marriage being built primarily on sex?? less than 5% , maybe!!! , if and when the sex "goes bad," the relationship will suffer disproportionately, especially if the couple does has not developed the "tools" to work through the problem.
I will challenge this!
1. Economic >> OK I can believe it
2. chronic infidelity or falling in love with another person on one side
3. Tempers not agreeing on anything anymore
4. sex goes bad >> either boredom or illness issues
>>> If the sex was great before marriage, it is likely to remain great after it, unless one becomes bored with the repetition
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Bob Greece
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Location: Greece
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 04:49 |
NaturalScience wrote:
The health issue aside, realize that even with condoms/BC pills, there is not 100% effectiveness. So the possibility exists that you/your partner could get pregnant. Ask yourself if you are willing to accept the risk, and the consequences of that result. Ask yourself how you feel about abortion. If more people put some more thought into sex, maybe we wouldn't have all the problems we have in this world (I know, I know, wishful thinking), but please - do NOT think of sex as just harmless fun with no consequences.
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 It certainly has a huge consequence for the children!
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Padraic
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Joined: February 16 2006
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 13:11 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Actually AIDS is a relatively hard virus to transmit! I mean you must screw the person without a condom to get it! That means you must REALLY want to get it badly to have it
For an educated person in the Western world, this seems like it would be the case, however I urge you to view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic.
Look on the subsection entitled sub-Saharan Africa. Look at the infection rates in some of those countries, and then tell me this is not a public health disaster.
ever heard of H5N1???
Yes, there was really no need to insult my intelligence to make your point. I've only spoken to the worldwide infection rates and worldwide deaths due to AIDS; any comparison of its contagiousness and lethal quickness to other viruses were not made, and are not relevant to my point.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 05:56 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Actually AIDS is a relatively hard virus to transmit! I mean you must screw the person without a condom to get it! That means you must REALLY want to get it badly to have it
For an educated person in the Western world, this seems like it would be the case, however I urge you to view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic.
Look on the subsection entitled sub-Saharan Africa. Look at the infection rates in some of those countries, and then tell me this is not a public health disaster. >>> I think about 95% of Africans are aware by now , but Males do not want to wear condoms and rape is used as a war weapons >> so infected rapists are also part of the phenomenon and the big number of victims.
ever heard of H5N1???
Yes, there was really no need to insult my intelligence to make your point. I've only spoken to the worldwide infection rates and worldwide deaths due to AIDS; any comparison of its contagiousness and lethal quickness to other viruses were not made, and are not relevant to my point.
Well sorry but your post did say this was the worst lethal disease having killed the most humans. In both case this was completely incorrect, but this does not mean we do not have to worry about AIDS, though! Sorry about insulting your intelligence
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:35 |
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Well, as a teen, I've decided to wait until marriage, on religious grounds, but also on personal beliefs, because I've seen careless sex ruin many lives (especially my poor little half brother's.....his mom and my dad hate each other) so I'm not taking any chances. Personally, I don't think I'd let my children carry contraceptives, but I'd also make sure to teach them about what it is, not necessarily using fear tactics though. As a side note, this is all hypothetical because I'm waiting until marriage, and the probability of anyone liking me for any reason at this point is about .001 percent so I may as well go and become a eunuch. (If you can't tell, I really don't care much about sex, whereas a lot of people my age, it's the only thing they think about. These people are called "athletes")
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Padraic
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 12:09 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Well sorry but your post did say
this was the worst lethal disease having killed the most humans.
In both case this was completely incorrect, but this does not mean we
do not have to worry about AIDS, though! Sorry about insulting your
intelligence
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I said a.) AIDS has killed 25 million people worldwide and b.) it's the
worst epidemic in the history of mankind. Part a) is true, Part
b) is false. What's unfortunate is that this one error on my part
was magnified, but was not really central to the point I was trying to
make. It was just that AIDS is still out there, and real.
There are people in this country (USA) that are starting to think AIDS
isn't a big deal anymore, and are back to having unprotected
promiscuous sex. Obviously AIDS doesn't hold as much damaging
potential as the avian flu, but it's not like it's been eradicated, and
one shouldn't think it either doesn't exist or that it's easy to live
with by taking various drug "cocktails".
Couldn't tell if your apology was sincere or not - but let's not quarrel further. Peace.  
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 31 2006 at 04:38 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Couldn't tell if your apology was sincere or not - but let's not quarrel further. Peace.
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iof it had not been sincere , I would've mentionned the black plague , the bubonic plague and the religion wars as the worst and most sickening diseases of human history >> those have killed many more than the Spanish flu also. 
Just kidding
Peace
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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