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    Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:34
If you aren't familiar with it, I'll post details.

Otherwise, let us discuss it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:38
ummmm....what?
"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all
O' you should have us fall"
"Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:44
THE HOLY GIFT (plagiarized from the internets)


To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever
composed. I think Tool deliberately wanted to give their fans something
truly amazing, but wanted them to find it on their own. "Recognize this as
a holy gift..."

At first, I thought that the song Lateralus was about tripping acid -
discovering true color by seperating the body from the mind. At first
listen, I imagined the bending envelope as an intense visual. After
becoming more familiar with the track, however, I had reformed my
interpretation to something broader: think deeper.

Lateralus, perhaps because it is the album's "title track", serves as the
central clue for a puzzle that a friend of mine had read about somewhere
on the internet. "All I know is that there is a different order for the songs
- something about two spirals. Oh yeah, and thirteen is in the middle."

After scavenging through endless google search results, I gave up on
finding more about this 'alternate order'. Intent to figure the album out,
and very curious about the spirals - I put on the proverbial 'thinking cap'.
I understood how the spirals could have a lot of significance, in that the
album's title track offers the inspiring, "swing on the spiral of our divinity
and still be a human..........And following our will and wind we may just
go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go
where no one's been."

In my internet scavenging, I had read one review, written by a drummer,
who mentioned that Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci
sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get
out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least
I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum
tabulature. Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the
number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in
my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation
for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it
forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the
sequence begins.

Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's
obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book,
Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the
significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in.
This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals
in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first
important connection to Lateralus.

I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different
order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my
spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards. After writing
the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol
and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 =
6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next
pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose
sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left
the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to.

At this time, had put the songs in the following order:
6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism
blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn
out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism.
When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes
with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of
notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally
intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks,
and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum
beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different
every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer.
Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats
of Schism. I can honestly say that I never understood the album's fourth
track, Mantra until reordering the album's songs. What I had originally
heard as whale calls now had begun to resemble the worst imaginable dry
heaves - or a stylized choking. Fitting, seeing as how the last line in Ticks
& Leeches is "I hope you choke." After this transition, none of those
following it really seemed to make much sense. I certainly didn't like that
Disposition and Reflection had been seperated - as they sound quite
good when played sequentially on the album.

This was the only real roadblock in my disciphering of the Holy Gift. Then
I had remembered what my friend had told me - 13 was in the middle. At
the time, probably just wanting to believe that there was more to this cd, I
had equated this to the positioning of the song "Intermission" on the
previous release, Ænema. For the song to be in the 'middle' of the album
it would have to be the seventh track in sequence, here having six tracks
on either side of it. So I inserted Faaip de Oiad after Lateralus, and almost
peed my pants when I discovered that (ever-so-faintly) the fading tone of
the last note of Lateralus could be heard in beginning of Faaip de Oiad,
and how the distortion of the guitars at the tail end of Lateralus
resembled, and later transitioned seamlessly into, the static at the
beginning of Faaip de Oiad. The lyrics of Lateralus justify this break in the
spiral, almost instructing: "spiral out, keep going, spiral out, keep going."
I went back to Lateralus to find the next clue. In Danny Carey's amazingly
competent Fibonacci sequence, he had stopped at 13 and gone back to 1.
This is what I chose to do to finish the sequence. A second spiral was now
constucted, and the order for the Holy Gift now became
6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Already many of you are probably
fascinated at what I have revealed to you, but I can not even begin to tell
you what this new order has opened up for me.

The beauty of Lateralus is very, very fragile and has to be viewed with a
very open mind. It can also be different when looked at from different
points of view. Aside from the fact that the new order of the songs places
them in an order where they flow together nicely - often ending and
resuming on the same notes or within the same progression, and some
times - in the case of Lateralus into Faaip de Oiad and The Grudge into
Triad - even overlapping (though admittadly sound much better when
actually electronically overlapped, this is kind of cheating. Consider this a
hint, however, if you plan on doing this yourself), the two spirals help to
tell a story that every Tool fan should hear. In the interest of not boring
the only casually intrigued, I will try to keep this very brief. I would also
recommend familiarizing yourselves with Frissell's book (yeah - the one I
mentioned earlier). I consider Parabol and Parabola to be quite
expository. Maynard wants us to know that no matter what happens, we
must all know that this is not our only existance. Our very minds and the
contents of our subconscious are intended to be immortal, and if we
accept this into our lives (be it because of personal or religious reasons),
it will be so. As such, pain is an illusion. At first, I called it "The Lateralus
Prophecy" (for reasons you will soon understand), but I have since
decided to call the 'reordered' version of Lateralus "The Holy Gift".

As Maynard says, "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance
to be alive and breathing," I take the word "this" to mean much more than
just his simple cautioning. Since Parabola is the second track of the Holy
Gift, it can be considered at the beginning (esp. considering the context
of it's duality with Parabol), and as such, I interpret Maynard's words as
more than just clever lyrics in a song. They are a plead for his listeners to
listen to everything he has to say and truly celebrate the chance of
immortality offered throughout. I would be lying if I said that each song
has a specific translation.

On the contrary, Tool's music is designed to make you think, not say
something specific. It must be treated like great literature - much is
hidden contextually. I will elude to Geometric-Drumming's previous post,
where he explains the time signatures of Schism: "It represents the
title...it's arranged in 12/8 time which is SPLIT into 5/8 and 7/8 - which
only really FITS as you PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER." Where
Geometric-Drumming claims Schism as his favorite Tool song, I have
heard some fans say that it was a retched pick for the album's only single
- but I think it was brilliant. Not to downplay the interpretations of those
who have posted before me (in fact, I agree with much of what
%BlueSoulRobot% has to say), but I think that to the casual listener who
knows nothing of Tool, it can be a powerful invitation. Think about it - a
lot of dingbats with MTV and a radio would walk around with the words "I
know the pieces fit" in their heads. I wonder how many of them took the
time to put the pieces back together to (re)discover what is trying to be
communicated.

I welcome any feedback. I would love to share interpretations of the
songs via email - just too lengthy to post here. I would like to offer the
following advice: DO NOT use MP3s to digitally reorder Lateralus. A lot of
VERY IMPORTANT information is encoded on the actual cd. Ever notice
how everyone who has lost or broken that cd has IMMEDIATELY gone out
and bought a new copy? I know I have. It's because there are things
encoded on the factory pressing of the cd that are lost in the mp3
compression process and any direct copy onto a cd-r. If you want to do it,
do it right - I can't stress how important this is. Use the cda tracks as you
put it together and maintain all audio fidelity using professional mixing
software.

There's a Fibonacci in Maynard's lyrics, specifically the syllables:
black [1]
then [1]
white are [2]
all I see [3]
in my infancy [5]
red and yellow then came to be [8]
reaching out to me [5]
lets me see [3]
there is [2]
so [1]
much [1]
more and [2]
beckons me [3]
to look through to these [5]
infinite possibilities [8]
as below so above and beyond I imagine [13]
drawn outside the lines of reason [8]
push the envelope [5]
watch it bend [3]
I suppose it's not actually a true Fibonacci, since it does reverse itself.
the Fibonacci Sequence. It's basically a string of numbers that when you
add a number to the number before it, you get the next number. Starting
with the numbers 0 and 1. 0+1=1, so the set now looks like this; 0 1 1.
You take the 1 and add the previous number (1) and you get 2. The
sequence looks like this; 0 1 1 2. Now you take the 2 and add the
previous number and get 3. Now you have 0 1 1 2 3. When you add the 3
and the 2 you get 5. 0 1 2 3 5. 5+3=8. 0 1 1 2 3 5 8. The process
continues."



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:00
Holy Gift. Wholly Sh*t!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:02

I don't actually like Tool at all... Sorry!  Altho I've met Danny Carey a few times and he seems nice enough. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:31
^ ditto
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 14:36

????????

(I'm completely lost --I knows zero music theory and hasn't taken algebra 2 yet)

HOLY CRAP, though. Geez, geez, geez. I haven't heard Tool yet, trust me, it's on my list of stuffs to get. Right now I'm plowing thru the older prog, with some prog metal here and there. But I shall listen to Lateralus, and then maybe I'll get it...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 14:39
Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

????????

(I'm completely lost --I knows zero music theory and hasn't taken algebra 2 yet)

HOLY CRAP, though. Geez, geez, geez. I haven't heard Tool yet, trust me, it's on my list of stuffs to get. Right now I'm plowing thru the older prog, with some prog metal here and there. But I shall listen to Lateralus, and then maybe I'll get it...

Thought you were more grounded than that Pingu!
This is just mumbo-jumbo for people with too much free time on their hands.
It could all be designed as the guy says it is-but so what.The music is what counts.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 14:42
My love of mathematical mysticism is second only to my love for nu-metal. Where does one go to exchange the Holy Gift?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 15:01
Remember in another thread where someone mentioned how Tool is really just doing all of this to f**k with people and make them come up with dumb ideas like this one?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 16:09
mite be a bit over the top. i read on the official site about this spiral and its a bit undetermined.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 16:27
actually if you think about it there are more clues to take in to factor.

if this spiral thing was deliberate, it woulda taken a long time to make right. this cud explain the 5 year gap between aenima and lateralus. and they have been writing a new album for years as well.

i think they might have tried something like this on aenima and failed, which had a 3 year gap between the previous album. tool write very complex and perfected albums.

one thing i did notice was aenima introduced the use of bridging tracks... eg intermission, useful idiot, message to harry manback, die eier von satan, - ions, cesaro summability. these tracks were used to link together the previous and next track. eg they wud be stuck inbetween 2 of the main long tracks. this techinique didnt flow too well on aenima yet was perfected on laterlus

the grudge and the patient were bridged perfectly by eon blue apocolypse. the same goes for mantra, parabol, disposition. they all kept the flow going to make the album seem like one everlasting piece of music rather than a collection of songs.

they obviously spend a hell of a lot of time writing their albums so the band have a lot of time to perfect techniques so this holy gift is quite possible
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 16:54

I think I'd rather get back into the,,,,,,,,

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2004 at 17:05
I read most of it and it just seems he was looking for something so he found soething, if you see what i mean.
Long live progression.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2004 at 05:10

Perhaps a little bit cynical Will, but you could be right, I for one will be checking this out with an open mind...

...as soon as the holidays are over and i get back to my full cd collection which i am currently without

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2004 at 06:14

omg, that sounds crazy

i wouldn't call it holy gift though .... even if it's true

but it's kindof interesting in my opinion, i don't share this "it's just the music that counts" attitude. If bands really manage to make their albums even more complex by this kind of stuff, I'd appreciate it, unles they forget to make their actual music sound complex as well

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2004 at 08:21
Bored, I tried it about a year ago.  Boring as f**k, not worthwhile, and certainly not "holy".  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2004 at 10:00

Probably brought to you by the same folks who tried watching Dark Side of the Moon and The Wizard of Oz at the same time....

Uhh.. was the movie suppose to pause while I turned the record over...???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2004 at 13:16
wait, aren't Tool sort of, umm... What's that word...SATANIC?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2004 at 13:18
Just kidding. I'm a big fan and after buying an album I always try to use programmed play on my audio system to figure out better tracklists. I'll try it right away!

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