Pink Floyd vs. Yes

I do not agree that ELP succeed both ways! They fall squarely into the pre-meditated camp, although with less practice than Yes. The improvs are generally noodly bombastic blusters at best which fit inside a pre-meditated framework.

Easy mistake to make!

In The Court Of The Crimson King, not anything by The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, The Nice, etc.

Why? Because concensus says so?

Actually PF started as a blues band

Yep, as did many other bands, Earth aka Black Sabbath, Yardbirds, etc. I never bring this up because I assume everyone knows this and we don't have to point it out.

Assume made an  out of U and ME

PF were masters at making it sound like a complete psychedelic jam when in fact it wasn't. Easy mistake to make!

I don't think they were masters at anything back then, but that's okay, you're coming at this from a very fanboy angle, and I respect that.

No, I'm not coming at this from a "fanboy" angle, I'm coming at this from my own personal angle. If you want to mis-interpret me, that's up to you, and if you don't think PF were masters of anything back then, you're probably alone. "Piper..." is a brilliant album, and PF practically led the underground scene in London.

He/she was claiming that their music was simple pop and was only psychedelic on "Meddle". I was only disagreeing with what is obviously balderdash, and I see no counter arguement!

I don't see it, either! JrKASperov: step up to bat!

I like Pink Floyd a great deal, but that is not where I am coming from at all - the eclecticness is there, and you've just admitted you don't hear it.

I admit nothing; I simply don't acknowledge said fountains of genius -- alleged fountains, I must say.

You said you don't hear it. Those were your words  No-one said anything about "fountains of genuis", alleged or otherwise - it looks like you're attempting to obfuscate what you are saying to not look stupid.

In The Court Of The Crimson King, not anything by The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, The Nice, etc. Why? Because concensus says so?

Nope. I think ITCOTCK speaks for itself.

Does it? What does it say?

There is a natural flow to The Wall, although much of the improvised feel is lost in that album. However, there is no doubt in any but the more extreme that it is a prog album as it progresses throughout, develops thematic material and maintains an overall concept. In this alone, a degree of improvisationalism is maintained.

A degree? The Wall is not the result of stream-of-consciousness playing & recording!

Who said that?  A degree of improvisationalism does not mean complete improvisation! What are you talking about, man?

I do not agree that ELP succeed both ways!

You're definitely going to be outnumbered!

So what? I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are entitled to yours

If you want to mis-interpret me, that's up to you, and if you don't think PF were masters of anything back then, you're probably alone.

How could they be masters of anything? Were those guys even 25 by that time?

Age has how much to do with mastering a musical form?

"Piper..." is a brilliant album, and PF practically led the underground scene in London.

If you say so, but I'm only going to give you the benefit of the doubt because I'm beginning to believe you were actually there!

Check any history of Pink Floyd or psychedelic music!

No-one said anything about "fountains of genuis", alleged or otherwise - it looks like you're attempting to obfuscate what you are saying to not look stupid.

Gothdamnit, I am noth an obfuthcator, and I never ever look thtoopid!!!! Don't try to yuthe big words to confuthe me!

I bet you're into antidisestablishmentarianism, and probably live in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllandysiliogogogoch. Although really I feel there's a little bit of floccinaucinihilipilification going on here... I hope you never get pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis

What are you talking about, man?

I dunno, mon!? By degree, you meant a relative amount, right?

Exactly - but you seemed to think that I meant everything when you started talking about streams of consciousnesses and stuff. I mean, the Wall is not exactly the aural equivalent of Ulysses, but it's certainly more of a concept album than most AC/DC LPs - or is there a flaw in my logic somewhere?

dropForge wrote: Age has how much to do with mastering a musical form?

Quite a bit when the usual suspects aren't prodigies!

Not really, when the musical form is a) non-complex and b) largely comprised of random experimentation and c) depended on large amounts of LSD.

Syd was a prodigy!