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Originally posted by sularetal sularetal wrote:

Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden prog?? Ok, we can add Judas Priest and AC/DC into PA as well and then every band in the world...    
 
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Why dont priest have prog moments????
 
 
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Well, actually, the first Judas Priest album is a bit psychedelic, and the second could be classified as something like proto-prog metal.

Anyway, I don't think Iron Maiden should be included. They might be influenced by some prog bands, and their music might have a 'proggy feel' sometimes, but not enough to be included, IMO, not even in prog related.

The only 'classic' metal band that I would like to see here in prog related is Mercyful Fate. Their first two albums have very proggy moments and I'm sure they influenced prog metal.


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Originally posted by Hatters Hatters wrote:

Personally I dont understand why Fates Waring, Fantomas etc are called prog and Iron Maiden is not because when I listen to them they sound the same as Maiden.


Fantomas sound like Maiden ... I'm curious, which song are you referring to?
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Well then I apologize, though I always assumed this place was for pure prog guess I was wrong(That would explain some things)

I still am completely against IM' s inclusion.
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Originally posted by Taril Taril wrote:

Im against their inclusion. Prog moments they may have, but that still doesnt make them a Prog band. Their heavy metal. If we include them, Whats next? Ac/dc, Metallica? Where will the madness end. If someone wants to create a site for prog sounding records from NON-Prog bands go right ahead, but this is for Pure Prog bands only.


I'm sorry to have to disabuse you, but your last statement is not correct. As a matter of fact, the Prog-Related section was created just in order to host bands or artists which, in some way or the other, have a connection with Prog, even if they are not 'pure prog' as you said. I would advise you to go and have a look at the bands/artists contained in this section to check if what I'm saying is true...

BTW, this is not meant in any way to justify IM's inclusion. Of course, it is quite clear that I am in favour, but I also know that the decision is NOT in my hands, and I don't want to irritate my esteemed colleagues of the PM team by carrying on like that forever.
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And also i noticed uriah heep and deep purple are on this site,sure they`ve got their proggy moments but prog?
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There are so many bands on this site that cant be considered prog,but has its prog moments.And please dont compare ac/dc with maiden,it just embarresses you.They are worlds apart,compare them with fates warning andbands in that category
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Im against their inclusion. Prog moments they may have, but that still doesnt make them a Prog band. Their heavy metal. If we include them, Whats next? Ac/dc, Metallica? Where will the madness end. If someone wants to create a site for prog sounding records from NON-Prog bands go right ahead, but this is for Pure Prog bands only.
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What about muse?Its not exactly prog either!Its got its moments with proglike sections,but maiden has lot more of that and are generally more prog than muse.I could probably mentioned many other bands that are in the archives,but i`ll start with this one
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Originally posted by sularetal sularetal wrote:

Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden prog?? Ok, we can add Judas Priest and AC/DC into PA as well and then every band in the world...    
 
LOL
 
Why dont priest have prog moments????
 
 
kiddin'...


Actually, Priest DO have prog moments - I would recommend you check their "Sad Wings of Destiny", which has very often be mentioned here as a possible 'ancestor' of prog-metal.

As regards Iron Maiden, there has been extensive debate on the possibility of including them not as a full-fledged PM band, but rather as Prog-Related - which, in my very, very humble opinion, would be quite fair to them, seen as the section includes a band like Wishbone Ash, often quoted by IM themselves as one of their main influences.
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Why not start a new website, called www.heavymetalwithprogmomentsarchives.com?
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Originally posted by RoyalJelly RoyalJelly wrote:

Why not start a new website, called www.heavymetalwithprogmomentsarchives.com?


     
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Why not start a new website, called www.heavymetalwithprogmomentsarchives.com?
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Personally I dont understand why Fates Waring, Fantomas etc are called prog and Iron Maiden is not because when I listen to them they sound the same as Maiden.
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^ are you sure you know what you're talking about - do you know Seventh Son, Brave New World and their latest album? I don't see how anyone could compare them to any AC/DC album - they're miles apart in terms of progressiveness.
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Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden prog?? Ok, we can add Judas Priest and AC/DC into PA as well and then every band in the world...    


The only difference being that Iron Maiden actually has an argument for it.
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Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden prog?? Ok, we can add Judas Priest and AC/DC into PA as well and then every band in the world...    
 
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Why dont priest have prog moments????
 
 
kiddin'...
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Iron Maiden prog?? Ok, we can add Judas Priest and AC/DC into PA as well and then every band in the world...    
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Points: 5308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 05:53
Originally posted by lastdodobird lastdodobird wrote:


I did a search and it didn't yield any topics about Iron Maiden on the prog lounge so I cooked this one up..
 
There is your answer, how do expect to find topics about a band not in the archives in the sub forum for bands that are in the archives? Dead
 
This has been discussed to death, and I think there is about one Prog-Metal specialist in favour of their inclusion.
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Points: 780 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 05:40
IMO, they're more "Prog" than some other artists in PA, but...
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Points: 264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2006 at 05:37
Iron Maiden prog??? Thats the band that made me start listening to metal (like most of the people I know). Now I cant really stand them (generally power metal stuff). I cant stand other bands like nightwish and rhapsody too but i see they are on PA. Its like wanting to put on PA all the bands we like, trying to make others belive they are. If a band isnt prog its fine with me. I cant stand this tendency to call "prog" all the bands that we like. For example, the fact that rhapsody apart from power metal have also orchestral strings, doesn't make them prog. This doesnt mean its crap, just not prog. Thats my opinion though....
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