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Rocktopus 
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 Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:24 |
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I haven't heard any of them tulzivar. I mentioned Big Fun, because although it was released in 74, its was recorded in '69, same sessions as Bitches Brew (and I love it).
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
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Don't believe in me
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superprog
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 02:41 |
ok, Dick is right.....got a bit carried away.....'the main entrance' (but what a marvellous magnificent illuminating one) is a better metaphor to describe Bitches Brew's importance to jazzrockfusion.
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superprog
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 02:42 |
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oh btw, Big Fun is waaay awesome!!!! total spacedcout amibience........
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 09:32 |
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Lots of questions about Mile's jazz and recordings immediately before Bitches Brew and then through to his untimely death. If you are really interested get hold of and read Paul Tingem's book Miles Beyond which deals with this period, and it also has a very detailed discography plus recording sessions details at its end.
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 15:39 |
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I do have "Bitches Brew" and I quite like to listen to it occasionally. My only problem with it is (and I'm going to upset some of you jazz fans now) it sounds like they're just noodling around and making it up as they go along. OK, that's probably the whole point, but I'm afraid that, like "Kind of Blue", it loses my interest after a while. Should I try "In a silent way"?
Edited by chopper - September 05 2006 at 15:40
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:38 |
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I think you should try In A Silent Way, Chopper. Shorter album, more meldic and easier on the ears. A very beautiful album. Then trry Bitches brew again, and see if anthing has changed.
Again I'd reccomend Herbie Hancock Crossings and Sextant. Brilliant structures, very experimental with synths, but not noodling. I love these so much more than the popular Headhunters.
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Over land and under ashes
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Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
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chopper
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 07:43 |
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Will do, thanks Rocktopus.
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toolis
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 07:48 |
 chopper wrote:
I do have "Bitches Brew" and I quite like to listen to it occasionally. My only problem with it is (and I'm going to upset some of you jazz fans now) it sounds like they're just noodling around and making it up as they go along. OK, that's probably the whole point, but I'm afraid that, like "Kind of Blue", it loses my interest after a while. Should I try "In a silent way"?
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i would have to agree, Bitches Brew gives me the same feeling too but i'll follow Rocktopus' advice and be back...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 07:12 |
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Great! I can't imagine any of you will regret it.
This is maybe far fetched, but just like Magma's most famous release MDK might also be their most difficult, the legendary Bitches Brew is one of the hardest albums Miles Davis albums to get into. (although some of his later seventies albums are even harder) I think they've both probably have scared off lots of potential fans at an early stage, through the years.
I know they both almost did that to me.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Zargus
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 10:10 |
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It's a must have album.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 04:07 |
I love the loose unstructured sound of this album.(although it isn't)The follow up Live Evil is a favourite of mine for the same reason.To hear Miles' electronic trumpet effects gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.This album is an essential piece to add to any jazzfussion collection.No structured cool blues or bebop here.I'm one of the lucky ones to have seen Miles play live the year before he died.A never to be forgotten experience.
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 04:19 |
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I love BB, an excellent album, it can be a bit of an acquired taste, so I can appreciate Chopper's comment.
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Zargus
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 05:16 |
Also if you like Bitches brew, try this albums:
- A Tribute to Jack Johnson
- At Fillmore: Live at the Fillmore East
- Live-Evil
- Dark Magus-Live at Carnegie Hall
Allso the last 2 albums he did before he's 75 break: Agharta & Pangaea, i have not heard this 2 yet i have ordered Agharta but pangaea i cant find so i have to wait´with that one. So i cant realy recomend em but from what i have heard they shuld be fantastic!
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 05:48 |
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...and don't forget Big Fun
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 06:15 |
yea I've got tribute to Jack Johnson, I prefer BB, but still an superb album, parts of it sound as if it influenced parts of King Crimson's Starless and Bible Black.
I also own A kind of Blue, In a Silent way and Sketches of Spain. Some time I do want to get On the Corner - Davis's most Controversial album.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 12:55 |
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
I love the loose unstructured sound of this
album.(although it isn't)The follow up Live Evil is a favourite of mine
for the same reason.To hear Miles' electronic trumpet effects
gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.This album is an essential
piece to add to any jazzfussion collection.No structured cool blues or
bebop here.I'm one of the lucky ones to have seen Miles play live the
year before he died.A never to be forgotten experience. |
I don't believe Miles played strictly an "electronic trumpet" - surely
it was a "normal" trumpet miked up and with a range of
effects available. Whist talking trumpets and effects, I don't think he
used the ring modulator, but check out trumpet thru ring modulator on Don Ellis's intrepretation of Hey Jude ( Don Ellis Live At The Fillmore, issued a year a go on CD a good 35 years after the LP was issued).
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kebjourman
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 20:59 |
i recomend 'Tribute to Jack Johnson' to everyone on this thread
ive had bitches brew, sextant, and crossings on my list for so long now
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 01:11 |
Dick Heath wrote:
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
I love the loose unstructured sound of this album.(although it isn't)The follow up Live Evil is a favourite of mine for the same reason.To hear Miles' electronic trumpet effects gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.This album is an essential piece to add to any jazzfussion collection.No structured cool blues or bebop here.I'm one of the lucky ones to have seen Miles play live the year before he died.A never to be forgotten experience. |
I don't believe Miles played strictly an "electronic trumpet" - surely it was a "normal" trumpet miked up and with a range of effects available. Whist talking trumpets and effects, I don't think he used the ring modulator, but check out trumpet thru ring modulator on Don Ellis's intrepretation of Hey Jude (Don Ellis Live At The Fillmore, issued a year a go on CD a good 35 years after the LP was issued).
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Yes you are correct and that is sort of what I meant !"electronic trumpet effects" The wild echo on the miking is chilling.
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK
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