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tardis
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Topic: Reviews discussionPosted: October 15 2006 at 15:41 |
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Oops! I just noticed that...sorry Pete!
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Easy Livin
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Posted: October 15 2006 at 17:00 |
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This thread is for discussing reviews. There's no rules for this thread, you can talk about good reviews, bad reviews, reviews which have been reported in the Reviews reporting thread etc.
The reviews reporting thread is intended to be a simple thread where people can report a review they feel is "inappropriate". Posts in that thread will be acknowledged by the admin team from time to time, but it is not intended that any discussion will take place there. (In the interest of fair play, the reviewer as the right to post a defence there).
What we (Guigo and I) are trying to do is keep the reviews reporting thread clean and focused. The previous "inappropriate reviews" thread tended to go off on tangents, and sometimes reported reviews got missed among the discussion.
The first post in each of the threads has the details.
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Australian
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Posted: October 16 2006 at 03:52 |
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Posted edited "Song for America" Review by KANsaS
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Angelo
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Posted: October 16 2006 at 13:43 |
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Just an idea, to avoid confusion like Peter's: I think, but I'm not sure, that the Web Wiz Forums software that is run to create this forum supports automatic addition of the word 'Moved' pr something similar to any posts moved. If not, never mind, otherwise, it could be useful here... |
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Even prog is rooted in the blues, at some point...
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tuxon
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Posted: October 16 2006 at 18:31 |
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you are right it doesn't adress the music really, but i don't think it's really a problem, no problemo for me, I tend to agree with him that it's a collection of middle of the road songs, which does say something of the music.
I think it's a valid review, though he says he doesn't describe the tracks because the reader knows them is slightly for the wrong audience, for people who know the album have no use for a review.
people who don't know the album will realise that this is a more popular release than previous albums.
at least this review explains his three star rating.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 03:47 |
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IRON MAIDEN — Iron Maiden
Review by G_Bone (Graeme) From a progressive standpoint, this album would rank pretty low. But I'm going to rate it as music, not necessarily prog. Site Guidelines 6 - Try to write reviews that will be of real use and interest to other progressive music fans, who can benefit by finding new avenues for their musical exploration. I'm getting pretty fed up of people who use the review system as a kind of cheap "rate your music" instead of adhering to the spirit of this site - and bothering to read our guidelines. This is, of course, one of oh so many - but in this case, the reviewer blatantly spells out his intention to not bother following them. Is this a Progressive music site or not? Edited by Certif1ed - October 19 2006 at 03:48 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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sleeper
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 18:45 |
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I have problems with this review:
LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT — Liquid Tension Experiment 2 Review by jasusgabrielbrea
The first two paragraphs do nothing but lambast prog metal, the second sentance of which is nothing but a lie (does this guy realise that a lot of prog-metal is played by classically trained musicians?). If he doesnt like the album thats fine, but I dont like him using a review to bad mouth a genre here on the front page. Edited by sleeper - October 19 2006 at 18:45 |
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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The Miracle
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:04 |
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I agree, very close minded and biased review.
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The Miracle
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:26 |
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So... it's appropriate enough to stay then?
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Atkingani
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:40 |
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Not neccessarily, Ansen... reviews discussed here may be edited, kept untouched or, sometimes, even deleted. For the case of edition (what seems to be the case) we normally contact the reviewer but first we have to be sure about the extent of the edition.
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Cristi
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 04:58 |
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Posted Tuesday, December 30, 2003 This review has troubled me big time. Power may not be a Kansas masterpiece but stating that it is "pop-rock a la Bon Jovi" is an exaggeration, a huge mistake. It's a mean and close minded thing to say. Any thoughts? Edited by Cristi - November 03 2006 at 04:59 |
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 12:17 |
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OK, eventual discussions about Kansas' "Power" review to be done here. Thanks!
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 12:59 |
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I just hate that. please admin, arse him!
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Stefanovic
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:05 |
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I'd second that Ricochet !
"Fish is a TECHNICALLY HORRIBLE SINGER who writes awful lyrics"
show us yours Mystic Fred...
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Easy Livin
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:15 |
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We need to be careful to differentiate between reviews which we disagree with, and those which need to be dealt with.
Here, I believe the reviewer is giving his honest opinion of the music. While his comments are harsh, I do not believe they are insulting or breach any guidelines.
On a personal basis, I find the review to be unpalatable as I disagree strongly with the opinions expressed. From a reviews moderation point of view though, I can see nothing which warrants intervention.
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tardis
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:24 |
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The production is horrible and sounds like any other bad 80s production
job, the lyrics are made even worse by Fish's delivery which is to
scream, grunt, and yowl every word like someone has just stuck a knife
in his back (wishful thinking)...
Even if you dislike Fish, doesn't wishing a knife to be stuck in his back go a little over the edge, even for extreme dislike of a musician? Btw, hopefully Cyggie won't see this... ![]() Edited by tardis - November 04 2006 at 13:25 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:27 |
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That person is a douchebag and needs to be repeadly given shoddy circumscisions until he passes out.
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tardis
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:29 |
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Shoddy circumcisions...
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:34 |
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Taken form his review of Tales from the Lost Attic:
"A great band who don't deserve to be called "neo prog," that's not what they were about. IQ were and are a real progressive band, and they will always be one of my favourite bands of the 80s, particularly for having really moving vocalists (especially Peter Nicholls)."
Wouldn't it be nice if in every one of my reviews, I made mention of a genre I don't like and said how much better this album is than that annoying, piece-of-sh*t, RIO eh?
This guy would probably jump at the chance to sniff Peter Gabrial's used costumes just to remember the smell when he goes to w**k off at night is his lonely apartment.
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 13:47 |
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I believe I must express my opinion that even the 1 star opinions can be made objectively, interestingly and diplomatically, above everything else. Contrary to that peach type of a reviewer, this one can only complain, like it's the grossest thing ever to experience. His language is vile and exactly harsh as to shock and to stirr. Plus that he sounds deeply purist, towards the neo-prog movement, he also doesn't understand the difference between a rip-off and a major influence (the eternal conflict of Fish "imitating" Gabriel, Marillion doing the Genesis-like steps etc.) please re-consider, Easy, because things like this can go better and more...appealing. |
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