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sky_mellows 
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 Posted: January 08 2005 at 00:58 |
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ps - Agree with DallasBryan about Wakeman .. he was pretty good, and
kinda cool in his time, but the dude simply has a bit too much Mozart
and Bach programmed into his chops.
Moraz was by far the most interesting player but I guess he was just too arrogant for the band to deal with ..
.. also .. I could do without the whole Trevor Rabin era .. Steve Howe blows him away so bad it's pathetic
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tuxon
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 01:15 |
Trevor Rabin is a fine guitarplayer. He was just to dominantly present on the albums he produced with Yes. and his Style of playing didn't match the sound we are used to and expect from Yes.
90125 is a very fine album, which brought Yes back to life. (took 6 years before it all was good again. but still.)
BTW. Welcome Sky_mellows. Always good to have fresh blood for the grinders.
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sky_mellows
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 01:36 |
 tuxon wrote:
Trevor Rabin is a fine guitarplayer. He was just to
dominantly present on the albums he produced with Yes. and his Style of
playing didn't match the sound we are used to and expect from Yes.
90125 is a very fine album, which brought Yes back to life. (took 6 years before it all was good again. but still.)
BTW. Welcome Sky_mellows. Always good to have fresh blood for the grinders. |
Nothin' wrong with his guitar playing .. it's more on the creativity
side that he's rather a boring in comparison to Howe's writing.
Agree about 90125 but it's kind of in the Drama category .. it feels
like another band .. not Yes... as do the other Rabin era Yes
albums.
I don't think Rabin is a prog rocker ... I think that point is pretty
solid .. he's more of a rock guitarist/writer with a touch
of added pop.
ps -- thanks for the bloody warm welcome 
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Easy Livin
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 09:46 |
To be fair to Rabin, he never intended to join Yes. He joined Squire and White for what was to become their Cinema project. Tony Kaye and Jon Anderson were then invited back by Squire(White and Kaye had never worked together before), and "90125" was born.
I enjoy the Rabin era Yes material, but do not regard it as beign by the same band as the one which made "Close to the edge", "Relayer" etc.
A big welcome Sky Mellows (interesting monicker ), how about revealing your "location" country in your profile?
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Velvetclown
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 09:48 |
And he never wanted an Electric Haggis 
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Easy Livin
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 09:59 |
Here's something to amuse you Velv:
http://haggishunt.scotsman.com/
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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 09:59 |
Several things just switch me off about "Tales".
First is the overall texture, which rarely changes in any substantial way -
- There is little sense of movement in the harmonic texture, which remains around "soft" chords too long for my comfort.
- The instrumental texture seems to vary from really good, when the bass and drums get into a groove, to horrible, when some of the naff keyboard sounds shine through. This has nothing to do with indulgence, just bad choice of sounds, IMO.
- The vocals are generally quite nasty - I don't like Anderson's "precious" style of singing, and repeated chords on a single note are not virtuosic, they are wearying. The overall vocal harmonic style has not really progressed from Yes' early albums, on which they sounded strikingly like Crosby, Stills and Nash.
- There are many sections of repeated motifs, which seem to do little to increase dramatic tension in the piece, and more to make me want to reach for the off switch.
When there is so much repetition, I do not understand why people seem to think this music is complex! Most of it seems to be in a standard 4/4 time, and the riffs do not imply further harmony, implying that they are mostly based around single chords. This strikes me as a particularly simple style of writing, even if they do back several riffs together - each one represents a single chord with added jazz harmonics, which is not a particularly challenging method of composition.
The "complexities" seem to be ones of perception - all the little technical runs and so forth, which all seem to be an attempt to decorate a very simple and long structure.
A classic example of "Emporer's new clothes", it would seem.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 10:01 |
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90125 vote YES
forget the band member comparisions, Trevor Horn
is the genius behind 90125, No need to compare old
this with new that. Take it for what it is one of the last
great accessible progressive rock albums to come
out of england! If it werent for Trevor Horn this whole
project wouldnt have worked and you wouldnt even
have to be debating this.
Who gives a flip about how fast this guy plays and
how many drum beats per second, forgetting the
whole picture, it either is or aint great and I vote a yes
for my ears. Jon Anderson produced what I think are
his best and most coherant vocals of his career, this
is the one that makes all the others OK with me.
Wish all their albums had vocals like that, amazing it
happened at the end of the career as opposed to the
beginning, usually it is the opposite, I find this
interesting.
Trevor Horn was also genius in producing "Close to
the Edit" on "whose afraid of the Art of Noise".
Brilliant!!!
Edited by DallasBryan
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frenchie
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 10:53 |
everyone is mass debating... hehe that say it out loud and it will sounds like something a lot dodgier
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James Lee
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 10:56 |
Art of Noise is fun.
Rabin-era Yes is not.
IMAO.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 11:01 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Several things just switch me off about "Tales".
First is the overall texture, which rarely changes in any substantial way -
- There is little sense of movement in the harmonic texture, which remains around "soft" chords too long for my comfort.
- The instrumental texture seems to vary from really good, when the bass and drums get into a groove, to horrible, when some of the naff keyboard sounds shine through. This has nothing to do with indulgence, just bad choice of sounds, IMO.
- The vocals are generally quite nasty - I don't like Anderson's "precious" style of singing, and repeated chords on a single note are not virtuosic, they are wearying. The overall vocal harmonic style has not really progressed from Yes' early albums, on which they sounded strikingly like Crosby, Stills and Nash.
- There are many sections of repeated motifs, which seem to do little to increase dramatic tension in the piece, and more to make me want to reach for the off switch.
When there is so much repetition, I do not understand why people seem to think this music is complex! Most of it seems to be in a standard 4/4 time, and the riffs do not imply further harmony, implying that they are mostly based around single chords. This strikes me as a particularly simple style of writing, even if they do back several riffs together - each one represents a single chord with added jazz harmonics, which is not a particularly challenging method of composition.
The "complexities" seem to be ones of perception - all the little technical runs and so forth, which all seem to be an attempt to decorate a very simple and long structure.
A classic example of "Emporer's new clothes", it would seem.
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I agree with 99% of what Cert says, however
Never heard of "Emporer's new clothes" but have heard of
"The Emperor's New Clothes"
Nick-picky Reed.
Well, I'm listening to Man U v Exeter on the radio and Utd are struggling!
Somebody has to suffer with me!
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Syzygy
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 12:36 |
frenchie wrote:
everyone is mass debating... hehe that say it out loud and it will sounds like something a lot dodgier |
By an odd coincidence, that's also what Yes were doing over much of TTO .
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 13:56 |
That'll be those walking bass lines then...
My typos are really bad today... 
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tuxon
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 13:58 |
Total Bass retain
Mine even worse
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