Positive Correllation

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I have two friends who are Massive Floyd fans, they both also adore early Tangerine Dream, especially ZEIT......Is this true of all Floyd fans or is my sample too small to be representative ? I can also say that although Force Majeure is one of my favourite CD's I was deeply disappointed in Phaedra and Rubicon - Just a bit too weird for me obviously can any TD fan tell me what they see/get out of albums such as Rubicon/Phaedra ??

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Swinton MCR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 19 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848	Topic: Positive Correllation Posted: January 12 2005 at 08:05
	I have two friends who are Massive Floyd fans, they both also adore early Tangerine Dream, especially ZEIT......Is this true of all Floyd fans or is my sample too small to be representative ? I can also say that although Force Majeure is one of my favourite CD's I was deeply disappointed in Phaedra and Rubicon - Just a bit too weird for me obviously can any TD fan tell me what they see/get out of albums such as Rubicon/Phaedra ??

Pixel Pirate Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 11 2004 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 793	Posted: January 12 2005 at 08:35
	The music that TD made between 70 and 76 was much more abstract than the more structured and concrete music they started with "Stratosfear" in 76. It's difficult to describe but someone once said that listening to "Phaedra" was like floating in infinite space,if that makes any sense to you. I can see what he's driving at since that's more or less the feeling that I get from "Phaedra" and even more from "Rubycon",a sense of space,of music with tremendous room,but the space is very much an inner one rather than the more outward reaching space you'll find on "Zeit". "Rubycon" is music full of space,but it's not spacEY,which "Zeit" is. "Rubycon" is contemplative and introspective,while "Zeit" is very much music that stretches out into the universe,cosmic music in it's truest from.
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Syzygy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003	Posted: January 12 2005 at 09:14
	Rubycon is space rock without the drums - as though Waters and Mason nipped off for a pint during a Floyd session and left Gilmour and Waters to get on with it. I still think it's one of their best albums, but it was my introduction to TD so maybe I'm biased. The live album from the following year, Ricochet, may be more to your taste. The rhythms are a bit harder and Froese's guitar is more prominent, but it's in a similar style. Phaedra was their first big international success, a good album but IMO it's over rated. I prefer Green Desert, recorded just before by Froese and Franke (Baumann took an extended holiday), but it wasn't released until the mid 80s. Edited by Syzygy
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sigod Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 17 2004 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2779	Posted: January 12 2005 at 09:28
	^ Green Desert, huh? I must look into that one. I really like the more esoteric TD stuff; Alpha Centuri and Zeit are among my faves although I try not to limit myself to one era of the band. That would be like only eating every other cornflake in the bowl.
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Syzygy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003	Posted: January 12 2005 at 09:38
	Green Desert is also the last TD album where Chris Franke played drums. The title track is built around an extended dialogue between Froese on guitar and Franke bashing his skins - I'll never understand why it was shelved for more than a decade.
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DallasBryan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323	Posted: January 12 2005 at 10:35
	TD was experimental from 70-75? and starting with Stratosfear became progressive. From 75-76 to 84 ish is to me the greatest time in Krautrock when it was the new wave of truly progressive rock, the Germans just got rid of the vocals to accommidate the lack of one cohertant language in europe. This is why to me this time period is much more enjoyable than the early 70s Italian scene, I dont have to listen around the vocals. Dont expect the music to be progressive metal crap the europeans did not have the blues influences from the states and choose a more symphonic electronic approach and guitar is more mixed in the atmospheres where present and not such a main course. The germans choose the tripping, trance and mediation route to further the music.

Lunarscape Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 19 2004 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 374	Posted: January 12 2005 at 11:26
	Green Desert and Force Majeure are THE albums from TD in the time span 1974-1980. Their most fantastic output happened here. 3 live albums and besides that; Rubycorn, Thief, Tangram, Exit, (the poor Cyclone) and a few others I cant recall now. The first "circle" of TD music was indeed beyond space music and a listening experience that required some effort of the listener. The next "circle" was more earthly music with a all the prog elements in it and still so very Avant Garde that critics couldnt figure them out. If Krautprog came with this trend, Hamburgerprog (American prog) took some time and produced Synergy. Potatoprog (British prog) took longer to accept TD, inspite of them selling out every venue in England allways. The soundtracks from More and Ummagumma is to me mere rewritings of what TD already had done, and Gilmore did struggle to put PF back in the commercial track ASAP. _________ Lunar Edited by Lunarscape
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arcer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239	Posted: January 12 2005 at 12:19
	weird - Phaedra and Rubycon are my favourite TD albums - just set the arpeggiator to go and float off on a wave of pulsating, wibbly-wobbly synths. For me TD became crap when they started writing 'songs'. There's good bits later on but I love the ambient gear most

Petra Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 23 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 663	Posted: January 12 2005 at 12:29
	Encore, Phaedra and Force Majeure are my favourite. I have the albums Exit and Thief but rarely listen to them. Ive never heard any TD's albums after 1982. I'm a Floyd fan too. Why isnt Thief shown in the archives,is its because its a film soundtrack?
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DallasBryan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323	Posted: January 12 2005 at 12:57
	critics always rave about the experimental period of Krautrock in the early 70s. But I find once a few releases were made in the mid 70s(about the time England was cooling down), and they found direction the experimental turned into progressive and was the best thing going from the late 70s to mid 80s. Once the progressive rock cycle(drums and rock beats) got mixed with the experiment and it was on! Critics didnt like it, kinda like movie critics(we never agree) because they considered it adultered and not original. Which I find as crap, once the progressive rock thread was hit the experimental became less necessary in my opionion and they could build on it from there.

DallasBryan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323	Posted: January 12 2005 at 13:13
	If you like the period of Tangerine Dream when they produced Stratosfear, Cyclone, Force Majuere, Hyperborea here is an introductory list of some albums during that same period by other German artists that are equally as impressive. Klaus Schulze - Moondawn Cluster - Zuckerzeit Ashra - New Age of Earth Michael Hoenig - Departures from a Northern Wasteland Edgar Froese - Stuntman ex TD members also Conrad Schnitzler - Ballet Statique Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit Steve Jolliffe - Zanzi austrian Gandalf - Magic Theater french Clearlight - Visions I would recommend sticking close to the list if you are interested in these other artists. I dont know it all but I have listened many times to most all of the releases by these artists and some are not so progressive and some are not so great. But these all I would consider classic! Theres plenty more but are a little farther away from the style TD produced during this time period.