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Swinton MCR
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 11:47 |
Why ??
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lunaltair
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 11:51 |
Intrigued by the reunion album somewhere to elsewhere or whatever it's called and by the proto-kaw stuff. Worth buying? If I may chime in - absolutely worth buying Proto-Kaw. I listen to 'Before Became After' almost every day, and 'Early Recordings' probably every other week.
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Every time I look up to the sky I feel, I'm growing very small Can there be a meaning to it all, I fear, do we matter much at all?
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Easy Livin
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 11:52 |
Hey Reedy, was that photo taken in Sao Tome, or Principe?
Great place names there.
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Garion81
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 12:22 |
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garion81 wrote: Hey Arcer, I didn't know you liked Kansas. Great story and sorry for your loss of your friend.
Oh yeah, huge Kansas fan - at least from the debut up until Monolith - it all went downhill from there though as far as I could see.
Still, I think they're cruelly dismissed by a lot of people. The melodies are superb, the singing (which I admit to some might be a bit grating in a pop/rock way) appeals to me, the harmonies are really good and they're way unederappreciated as musicians - some great keyboard playing and always really nice choice of synth sounds.
Intrigued by the reunion album somewhere to elsewhere or whatever it's called and by the proto-kaw stuff. Worth buying?
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There were a couple good things on Audio Visions and Vinyl Confessions but the rest are pretty bad. Somewhere to Elsewhere is a good CD. Kerry wrote the enitre thing and there are at least three great songs on it. Icarus II, Myriad and Distant Vison. Here was my review on it:
KANSAS Somewhere To Elsewhere Review by Brian @ 12:39:29 PM EST, 9/25/2004
— What can we say for Kansas at this point of their storied career? In 2004 they celebrated their 30th anniversary of their first album and toured the States extensively. Are they and will they ever be the international success they were in the mid 70’s? Of course not. Can they still write and play dynamic music similar to what they did in the mid 70’s updated to today’s standard the answer is yes. This CD proves that. When this CD was put together the listener must also get Kerry Livergren’s Collectors Sediton CD because that is the rest of the material that the rest of the band drew from. Steve Walsh did not contribute songs to this work because he had already committed to a solo work called Glossolalia also on Magna Carta records (plug is given because neither Steve Walsh or Kerry Livgren have their own page here).
Had he contributed some of his better songs from that CD I think this album would maybe have been one of the best albums Kansas had done. It is still a very good album. It also could have been better by the band selecting two other songs that ended up on Kerry’s Collectors Sedition album (Numavox records). The first called the Sentinel one the finest progressive songs I have heard Kerry record and another called the Dragon which has melodies that are reminiscent of some of the Suppers Ready Genesis days. You could have replaced Skin Tight Blues and Grand Fun Alley with those two and it would have been a better progressive album. Still with Icarus II, which plays like a soundtrack, Mryiad and Distant Vision (Which were discussed in other reviews) the album is worth it alone. There is an interesting song called Byzantium which is very different for Kansas. I think it is a great historical overview of the legendary city with the music invoking images in the imagination of what that city was like. My only complaint is that it is too short and some instrumental interlude between the verses would have made this song much better in my opinion. One other thing that was of interest is anyone who buys this CD indirectly contributed to the long overdue World War II memorial in Washington DC inspired by the song Icarus II about a WW2 bomber pilot. This is a long standing tradition with this band to help charities and other worth while causes when they can. Nope, not the 70’s masters they once were but this CD grows on you the more you listen.
It is worth a four to me considering that is a new millennium CD and considering Kerry Livgren’s involvement in Proto-Kaw (Before Became After) This just might be the last studio CD to feature all the original members including Dave Hope.
As for Proto-Kaw run don't walk and get it. The early recordings are just that demos and such but very good. You will even recognize a couple of songs that ended up on later Kansas albums Incomudro and Belexis. The thing is is that all the recordings were made between 71-3 so it kind of shows these guys were making this kind of music for quite a while. Not all of sudden in 1974 just springing out of the woodwork with it. This music is a little more improvisational and I can't wait to hear it live. Kerry writes all the stuff. Lynn Meredith has a great voice and the sax and flute give another dimension to the music that was used by the violin in Kansas. BBA is a great CD. When you realize some of these guys had nothing to do with music for 30 years and they recorded this CD it is amazing. Then how well they play and sing it is even better. Theophany and Heavenly Man are stand outs for me. All but 4 of the songs were written in the 71-3 era.
The great news is they are back in the studio recording a new CD to come out this summer. They also have some east coast dates including the Friday night pre show at Nearfest. They play Incomudro and Death of mother Nature Suite. Some other songs they orginally did that ended up on later Kansas releases were Apercu (Kansas), Cold Grey Morning (Freaks Of Nature) and Myriad(Somewhere to Elsewhere). Kansas will touring Europe this June but not in Ireland I am afraid. I posted the dates in the Concert thread. I saw them twice last year and they are very good. Contrary to recordings up to 2002 Steve Walsh is singing the best he has sounded since the eighties. They still play Belexis, Magnus Opus, Song for America and Miracles out of Nowhere. (Some of these depend on if they are Headlining)
Hope this helps.
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threefates
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 12:33 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Why ?? |
Cause I'm in a traditional sort of mood today, I guess...
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THIS IS ELP
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Wrath_of_Ninian
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 12:43 |
How about taking all the other bands off, and leaving only ELP?
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"Now all the seasons run together, and the middle days are gone..."
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threefates
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 12:44 |
I'd still want them on top!!
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selling_echoes
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 12:47 |
. Mine is SUCH a long story. But I fit
in the second genre, being born in 1989 (hihi. I'm a progarchives child
as well) and .... hmm, people come into your life and change you,
sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst... and well in this
case it was FOR THE BEST!
About two years ago I met this out-of-the-box Pink Floyd fanatic, she
loved every single album of theirs and basically introduced me to some
of their greatest hits (Hey You, High Hopes - though that one is
debatable.) Then she moved away, and I remained in my Nirvana kick,
until I became friends with this prog head a year ago, Dave. It was the
Pink Floyd love. Music brings people together, huh?
Dave was an advanced kid, he started to listen to King Crimson and
Genesis pretty early (I'd say around the age of 11), and he breathed
it, so getting close to him I was exposed to KC and Genesis, and then
Yes (late 2004 ). That I guess became my prog foundation.
So the love for this music inspired me to do a huge project on
progressive rock, and I came upon ProgArchives, and well... you are
high, high on my altar, people.
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Wrath_of_Ninian
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 12:52 |
Bamboozling.
Knowing ELP, they'd each want their own personal sign, then a giant red triangular sign with all of them on it, and the words "Caution: Works"...
Eventually they'd have to get taken down because Greg would want his sign on a different post as Keith's would be too overbearing.
Carl's would be pointing in the wrong direction anyway (Asia)
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Beau Heem
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 15:01 |
threefates wrote:
I'd still want them on top!! |
Hmmm....
How much PROGesterone is there in the air today, I wonder...
-Beau
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Captain Fudge
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 15:04 |
You know, I started with Radiohead (IN YOUR FACE!!!!! ) but nowadays I'm more into Pink Floyd's Meddle era.
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Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic.
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threefates
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 15:05 |
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Syzygy
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 15:09 |
threefates wrote:
I'd still want them on top!! |
I'm saying nothing.
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arcer
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 15:09 |
Garion wrote: As for Proto-Kaw run don't walk and get it. The early recordings are just that demos and such but very good. You will even recognize a couple of songs that ended up on later Kansas albums Incomudro and Belexis. The thing is is that all the recordings were made between 71-3 so it kind of shows these guys were making this kind of music for quite a while. Not all of sudden in 1974 just springing out of the woodwork with it. This music is a little more improvisational and I can't wait to hear it live. Kerry writes all the stuff. Lynn Meredith has a great voice and the sax and flute give another dimension to the music that was used by the violin in Kansas. BBA is a great CD. When you realize some of these guys had nothing to do with music for 30 years and they recorded this CD it is amazing. Then how well they play and sing it is even better. Theophany and Heavenly Man are stand outs for me. All but 4 of the songs were written in the 71-3 era. The great news is they are back in the studio recording a new CD to come out this summer. They also have some east coast dates including the Friday night pre show at Nearfest. They play Incomudro and Death of mother Nature Suite. Some other songs they orginally did that ended up on later Kansas releases were Apercu (Kansas), Cold Grey Morning (Freaks Of Nature) and Myriad(Somewhere to Elsewhere). Kansas will touring Europe this June but not in Ireland I am afraid. I posted the dates in the Concert thread. I saw them twice last year and they are very good. Contrary to recordings up to 2002 Steve Walsh is singing the best he has sounded since the eighties. They still play Belexis, Magnus Opus, Song for America and Miracles out of Nowhere. (Some of these depend on if they are Headlining) Hope this helps. Cheers Garion, lots of good stuff there, will order up the Proto-kaw asap and possibly Somewhere to Elsewhere. I'd been avoiding the latter owing to a fear of 'sad' reunion syndrome (see 90 per cent of band who break up and get back together 'for the fans' - but never, never their bank balances). And Proto-kaw because I thought it might be a bit like a high-school reunion - bunch of friends get back-slappy drunk and record some of the 'old tunes' but they both sound good and if recommended by a fan of Kansas at their best 74-80 then that's good enough fer me. Thanks!
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Captain Fudge
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 15:09 |
Oh, btw, threefates, what's yoiur opinion on Meddle?
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Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic.
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Wrath_of_Ninian
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 18:20 |
I'm going to bed now - too much red wine....
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Eddy
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 19:24 |
i found prog by typing up weird music in google.
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tuxon
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 19:48 |
tried to write popmusic I suppose
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threefates
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:25 |
Captain Fudge wrote:
Oh, btw, threefates, what's yoiur opinion on Meddle? |
Meddle... My first PF album was Ummagumma when I was about 12 or 13... I loved the live side, but the studio side.. was a little much for me at that age. When I got Meddle I was a little older and already obsessed with Prog.. so I looked at it as Pink Floyd coming of age. I mean when you listen to the studio side of Ummagumma.. and then ATM... its like you're following PF on a journey into manhood. They start off all experimental and incohesive... and they end up on Meddle with something quite astonishing...
I love Meddle... its like Floyd was finally able to gel and control the chaos.... "Echoes" will always be an all time favorite of mine, as well as "A Pillow of Winds"... I sort of like Echoes better on the Pompeii video however...
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Garion81
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:51 |
lunaltair wrote:
Intrigued by the reunion album somewhere to elsewhere or whatever it's called and by the proto-kaw stuff. Worth buying?
If I may chime in - absolutely worth buying Proto-Kaw. I listen to 'Before Became After' almost every day, and 'Early Recordings' probably every other week. |
Well how did I know you might say that.
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