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    Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:08
I just bought this vinyl today and I am really impressed with the title track "Salisbury". The reason I bring this up is because I could not help but relate this track to Miles Davis and Gil Evans Concierto De Aranjuez. The whole horn procession in the beginning of Salisbury seems to be influenced by this track in my opinion. Tell me if anyone else agrees! What do you think?
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Points: 1009 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:23
I haven't listened to Salisbury in probably 30 years (maybe more). I'll have to re-visit that one befgore commenting.
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Points: 912 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:25
Hmm... I only know a "Concierto de Aranjuez" performed by Paco de Lucia on the homonymous album. Is it the same? Is it Davis and Evans together? And where can I find it? Smile
"Salisbury" is an extraordinary piece of music. I love it and it continues to keep me breathless from start to finish after many years.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:28
Only heard Concerto de Aranjuez by Joaquin Rodrigo and as far as I remember it does not really resemble it, although there might be something there... Interesting...
Will relisten.


    

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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:33
Originally posted by WillieThePimp WillieThePimp wrote:

I just bought this vinyl today and I am really impressed with the title track "Salisbury". The reason I bring this up is because I could not help but relate this track to Miles Davis and Gil Evans Concierto De Aranjuez. The whole horn procession in the beginning of Salisbury seems to be influenced by this track in my opinion. Tell me if anyone else agrees! What do you think?
 
Wouldn't it be more precise to say that Salisbury was influenced by Joaquin Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez? Lets credit the composer not the people who adapted it.
 
Yes the opening section of Salisbury is inspired in the opening of Joaquin Rodrigo's masterpiece, Hensley is an admirer of Rodrigo and would have never used the Miles Davies piece as inspiration because Rodrigo expressed his dislike for Miles version when released.
 
Later ELP also used Rodrigo's music for "Canario", the only good track in the infamous "Love Beach".
 
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:40
^^^
Like I said in my post, I did mention the composer (I too felt strange to credit someone else for it) and I don;t remember it resembling but since you say that now, I will relisten and hear for myself.

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Points: 421 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:01
Awesome! I knew there was some sort of resemblance and I am glad that Hensley has a varied musical taste (as if you could not already hear it in Heep's music!)

Ah, sorry guys. Yea I had only heard the Miles Davis adaptation of it. I need to go hear the original now. I remember reading in the liner notes for "Sketches of Spain" that it was an adaptation, but I believe that Davis did pretty well on it; or at least from a jazz standpoint.
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AFAIK, the jazz purists weren't so enamoured with Miles Davis' take on 'Sketches From Spain'. If the likes of Davis had listened to them though, he'd probably never have recorded anything.

I rate 'Salisbury' as one of the few times there has been a genuine fusion of rock band and orchestra. It works perfectly and the arrangements are beautiful. Completely unlike Deep Purple's effort which sounds like the band and the orchestra didn't even play in the same place, or Malmsteen's effort where he does his damnedest to better the orchestra by shredding.
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Points: 421 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2006 at 12:31
Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

AFAIK, the jazz purists weren't so enamoured with Miles Davis' take on 'Sketches From Spain'. If the likes of Davis had listened to them though, he'd probably never have recorded anything.

I rate 'Salisbury' as one of the few times there has been a genuine fusion of rock band and orchestra. It works perfectly and the arrangements are beautiful. Completely unlike Deep Purple's effort which sounds like the band and the orchestra didn't even play in the same place, or Malmsteen's effort where he does his damnedest to better the orchestra by shredding.



HAHA! I assume you're speaking of the Concerto Suite for Electic Guitar and Orchestra? If people think some prog is pompous, they should definitely view that DVD!
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- that's the one. Though I would be loathe to sit through the whole thing- I only saw bits on YouTube and was staggered by Malmsteen's arrogance in the way he gave the orchestra some piddling fills to do while he shredded like there was no tomorrow. Dreadful.
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