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Posted: April 02 2007 at 15:59

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I actually prefer Collin's singing the Gabriel songs live... I remember PC commented once that he felt the songs were losing something because PG got out of breath with all his theatrics... who am I to disagree? But it sounds to me like he cared a lot about the music.

I like Phil Collins, he gets such a hard time from pop and prog fans alike. Lets put things into perspective.

He is now an aging star who has gone through 3 divorces and so faces his old age alone... give him a break guys! He's human

I am with you 100% give him a break he solo stuff is not that bad specially the 80 'stuff .my mother, my wife and daughter like 80' Genesis and Phil soothing voice, so he can't be that bad.!!!

Also the first time I heard of old genesis the songs from second out and three side live and I remember how much I felt in love with Phil singing peter tunes. As matter of fact I still prefer Supper ready from second out that than original. musically speaking the live version is more powerfully!!! and Phil voice is so beautiful and breathtaking. The end of that song brings tears to my eyes. Also another highly from second out is the carpet crawler the song was sang-ed by Phil 300 times better an dwith more pasion I think. Phil and Steve how beautiful that was.!!!

Does anybody have this second out and three side live on DVD? you do how can I get a copy I'll die to a copy of second out I have a extremely deteriorated copy on VHS a bad copy from a bad copy.!!!

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Posted: April 02 2007 at 12:34

I actually prefer Collin's singin the Gabriel songs live... I remember PC commented once that he felt the songs were losing something because PG got out of breath with all his theatrics... who am I to disagree? But it sounds to me like he cared a lot about the music.

I like Phil Collins, he gets such a hard time from pop and prog fans alike. Lets put things into perspective.

He is now an aging star who has gone through 3 divorces and so faces his old age alone... give him a break guys! He's human

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Posted: April 02 2007 at 12:09

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For some reason, I feel as though Phil Collins was and is one of the most "passion-less" musicians ever. I will explain:

When he performed Supper's Ready for Seconds Out, I was disturbed by the final portion where he does his stupid mannerisms and looks around at everything like he is putting on a show, and trying to mimic gabriel.

I think Phil Collins is very much a extremely talented individual. He has acting and music flowing through his veins.

That being said, Supper's Ready was Gabriel's theatrical creation, not Collins'. Yes he does sound a bit odd mimicking Gabriel, but ANYONE would. I interpret Collins as a Hollywood Actor, and Gabriel as an Off-Broadway actor. Gabriel had much more of the Prog artsiness. Collins talent lied/lies in the music mainstream.

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Posted: December 12 2006 at 12:50

Ohhh how I dislike when people daintily talk of musicians "being in for the money".

You are if you wanna be a professional and make a living from music. If you are not forced to make a living from it... fine but please stop putting down those who have to and care for the business side. What's wrong with making money ? Do you all have rich parents ? For sure if you wanna be a musician it's gotta be from LOVING music... but making money with it, wanting to make money with it, having made money with it... that's no contradiction at all long as you do what you love.

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Posted: December 11 2006 at 11:22

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Excuse me my dearest friend, but... how the hell do you know that???!!!??

So you KNOW he's in pop only because of the money.... you say that, within himself, he DOESN'T like what he's doing?

I think he was wealthy enough even before leaving Genesis so I really doubt he HAD TO PLAY MUSIC HE REALLY HATED.

Oh and something else.. did you know that Genesis as a progressive rock band could hardly afford a hotel room during tours?... The Lamb tours were a disaster financially, because of the expensive staging eating all the tour's profits (it was the first time they flew to the States and Canada, if I recall correctly, but perhaps I'm mistaken on that) they were not as wealthy as you thought... In fact, in my country they were not as known as Yes until later on. I don't blame them for making singles because music is their profession and they needed the money.. but then Phil got hooked to the money; as opposed to Hackett, who made Cured out of plain necessity, but then got back to making the music he likes whether people would buy it or not, ranging from plain classical to blues to jazz to Bossa Nova... and so on. EDIT: the same could be said about Peter... does anyone remember the WOMAD incident?

Very good... we're only asking for explanations.... I'm not from those days so I really wouldn't know about that... good information.

But also, Collins DID get wealthy at least after 1989's release (which name now I don't remember)... but he KEEPS on doing pop, so that's why I say, he may like it after all.

His changing of opinions about prog.... well, he's just another guy. When even the guys that shouldn't change opinions DO, everybody is allowed... (I HATED Genesis first time I listened - and it was not We can't dance, it was SEBTP), and after listening to Foxtrot a couple of times, well.... now I have them in my top 10. We all can change.... and change back... the thing is, explain WHY and be HONEST about it...

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Well he hated Yes for a while after he said Yes was his favourite, perhaps he got hooked with Yes again... I find it very convenient but well perhaps it's not true, but it's very possible... still, his music doesn't appeal to me and I've tried to get into his music; I just can't.... I guess it's just not my taste in the first place, it sounds cheap to me (almost Cindi Lauper cheap

, of course not to that extent, they are far better), I just can't help feeling that vibe about them.

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Posted: December 11 2006 at 10:31

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the phil collins era is a great work just like the gabriel era..

Yes, it`s true. Look: even "peter gabriel" says that!

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Posted: December 11 2006 at 07:19

I think Phil Collins is just a lousy <i>performer</i>, some people can't do the frontman thing. I admit he's a good drummer, and I really don't think anyone could be in Genesis in the prog period for so long if he hated the music and was secretly plotting or something (i'd love to believe the plotting thing, but it really is paranoid).

The only reason I hate Phil Collins so much is because of the flack I have taken in the past for being a Genesis fan when people associate this with the Collins era. If he had done it under another name I really wouldn't have cared a twopenny piddle, but years of having the piss taken for "liking Phil Collins" have taken their toll on my psyche.

However, I do believe that in the Gabriel period Collins was a vital member of the group, and a good drummer. And that is the only time I will ever bring myself to say it! LOL

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Posted: December 10 2006 at 22:21

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Excuse me my dearest friend, but... how the hell do you know that???!!!??

So you KNOW he's in pop only because of the money.... you say that, within himself, he DOESN'T like what he's doing?

I think he was wealthy enough even before leaving Genesis so I really doubt he HAD TO PLAY MUSIC HE REALLY HATED.

Oh and something else.. did you know that Genesis as a progressive rock band could hardly afford a hotel room during tours?... The Lamb tours were a disaster financially, because of the expensive staging eating all the tour's profits (it was the first time they flew to the States and Canada, if I recall correctly, but perhaps I'm mistaken on that) they were not as wealthy as you thought... In fact, in my country they were not as known as Yes until later on. I don't blame them for making singles because music is their profession and they needed the money.. but then Phil got hooked to the money; as opposed to Hackett, who made Cured out of plain necessity, but then got back to making the music he likes whether people would buy it or not, ranging from plain classical to blues to jazz to Bossa Nova... and so on.

EDIT: the same could be said about Peter... does anyone remember the WOMAD incident?

Very good... we're only asking for explanations.... I'm not from those days so I really wouldn't know about that... good information.

But also, Collins DID get wealthy at least after 1989's release (which name now I don't remember)... but he KEEPS on doing pop, so that's why I say, he may like it after all.

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Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:23

Excuse me my dearest friend, but... how the hell do you know that???!!!??

So you KNOW he's in pop only because of the money.... you say that, within himself, he DOESN'T like what he's doing?

I think he was wealthy enough even before leaving Genesis so I really doubt he HAD TO PLAY MUSIC HE REALLY HATED.

Oh and something else.. did you know that Genesis as a progressive rock band could hardly afford a hotel room during tours?... The Lamb tours were a disaster financially, because of the expensive staging eating all the tour's profits (it was the first time they flew to the States and Canada, if I recall correctly, but perhaps I'm mistaken on that) they were not as wealthy as you thought... In fact, in my country they were not as known as Yes until later on. I don't blame them for making singles because music is their profession and they needed the money.. but then Phil got hooked to the money; as opposed to Hackett, who made Cured out of plain necessity, but then got back to making the music he likes whether people would buy it or not, ranging from plain classical to blues to jazz to Bossa Nova... and so on.

EDIT: the same could be said about Peter... does anyone remember the WOMAD incident?

Edited by Chus - December 10 2006 at 13:36

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Posted: December 10 2006 at 12:54

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Someone remind me...what was the reason that Phil joined Genesis? Didn't he pick up a flyer that said something like: "Drummer wanted for rock band with 12-string guitars"?

He almost joined Yes!! He was all set to replace Bruford when he left to go to university. An audition had been arranged, but he went to the Genesis audition instead. I think he may have been 'head hunted' by Tony Smith. I think the ad Genesis put in the Melody Maker, said something like they wanted a drummer 'sensitive' to 12 string guitars..

I generally dont like Collins rendition of Suppers Ready. I bet he hated performing it too. He always knew it was Petes song, and that he was never going to put it across as it should be. I love all the PC Genesis albums up to Duke. Phil Collins was an important part of the bands sound and dynamic, with his brilliant drumming. I actually like his voice too.

Phil Collins is a very talented musician, and his taste in music is actually pretty good. He likes classic soul, Motown, jazz and fusion. John Martyn is another favourite. If he prefers all that to Yes and Pink Floyd, I dont see a problem with that. The problem is quite simply that as a solo musician he seems incapable, or certainly unwilling to even try to write good music.

Yes. Collins was going to an audition to be YES drummer. He approached Anderson after a gig, Anderson said "yes, you can go to an audition; call us later", but Collins didn`t call. But he didn`t go to an audition for Genesis instead, because that happened almost two years later. He was in a band called "Flaming Youth" and he recorded an album with them which was released in 1969. He auditioned for Genesis in mid 1970, and he wanted to join YES in late 1968. Bruford left YES for the first time in their very early gigs. He was replaced by Tony O`Reilly. Also Ian Wallace, later drummer of King Crimson, played at least once with them before Bruford re-joined the band for Cream`s Farewell Concert in November 1968, after he left the University to become a full time musician.

Another Collins`"hate thread". How many? Anybody knows? How many more?

Collins helped survive Genesis after Gabriel left. He was accepted by their fans then. But maybe his tastes of music changed with age. I don`t think that he is "guilty" for that.

Maybe he was more "happy" to be a member of Genesis between 1976 and 1980. When his first album was successful, I think that he lost more motivation to be in the band, which gradually developed more until he decided to leave the band in 1996.

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Posted: December 10 2006 at 10:05

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Tonight, Tonight, Tonight is a dull attempt to throw bread crumbs to old fans, but considering it was the 80's it was interesting to hear on the radio at the time, because of the odd harmonies in the middle. Still, you simply can't compare it with the mid-section in "Robbery, Assault & Battery", "Firth Of Fifth", "Can-Utility and The Coastliners" or "Fountain Of Salmacis". Since their 80's era they were mostly homophonic with repetitive intermitent drum machine patterns and repetitive scales played with electronic devices, and that song is not really an exception, but the 80's and 90's pop scene was terrible in the whole, and Genesis was among that scene's bands and artists. Phil Collins also relied on generic homophonic ballads and repetitive rhythms. Peter Gabriel would had been a nobody, were it not for a great backing band that was Genesis; but to me he made more adventurous compositions than Genesis in the 80's, still considering Peter as another pop outfit in the category of Adult Contemporary Rock and "World Music", but certainly not "prog", and that's why he's in prog-related in the first place. I haven't read anyone yet calling Peter a "prog purist", and if they have, I'd doubt their objectivity. But no matter how talented Phil Collins might be, he's still in for the money most of all, and I don't see his easy-to-digest ballads and cheap synth-pop output on this page in any way; and personally, his pop music goes nowhere in my list of great pop artists.

Excuse me my dearest friend, but... how the hell do you know that???!!!??

So you KNOW he's in pop only because of the money.... you say that, within himself, he DOESN'T like what he's doing?

I think he was wealthy enough even before leaving Genesis so I really doubt he HAD TO PLAY MUSIC HE REALLY HATED.

He likes pop music... OK!

My favorite genre is prog, just after classical.... but: i can hear when good music FOR EVERY genre is performed....

Yes... we can't compare Supper's Ready with Two Hearts or other Collins hit.... but then, that would be a STUPID comparison.... how the hell can you compare music made with different purposes, different audiences in mind? For sure Supper's Ready is a wonder and the other is a little insignificant pop song... but WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH COLLINS "DOING IT JUST FOR THE MONEY" and not, maybe, just maybe, and I could be saying something too outrageous, weird, incredible, un-heard of, but let's say it: what if he's doing that 'cause he LIKES IT?

As someone perfectly said, not EVERy PROG music is good (there's a lot of crap)... and, at the same time, non-prog music (yes, even filthy POP) can have interesting elements... and Collins' pop surely does.. from time to time (I'm not saying Sussudio was good, that was turly the epitome of awfulness)....

I think you misunderstood the context of what I was saying, The T.....
I was answering to the post saying that Tonight Tonight Tonight was an amazing prog song... even better than close to the edge... I begged to differ that it was just a stupid repetitive tune with a certain progressive sensitivity and some nostalgia over past efforts (which were their greatest, certainly better than that song in particular), THAT'S WHY I PREFER OLD GENESIS OVER THE NEW ONE,if that was prog I'd rather listen to their old songs anyway. Perhaps Genesis was a great pop act in the 80's, but I still don't like it even as pop, I'd listen to other pop artists over Genesis or Phil anytime

plus he DID it for the money.. come on, all of the sudden he loves YES again, when he clearly stated that they were boring before??????? hehe if that's true then yes he just loves playing anything that could make profits. I mean he has the right to change his mind and all but surely since prog has been a bit more recognized again and prog fans are buying more their old albums than pop bands their 80's wastebin material, he has been praising Yes, calling for reunion of old bandmates and playing with The Musical Box, now wasn't that a drag before?.

BTW: pop music in the 80's was not the best thing in the world, but I do listen to classic pop music from time to time, some motown, soul and melodic pop of the 70's and I don't like all prog just because it's prog, and I admit there is crappy prog, but I do think that Phil Collins solo career had it's share of disposable material, as well as Genesis 80's material (land of confusion, I mean come on

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Edited by Chus - December 10 2006 at 10:20

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Posted: December 09 2006 at 11:36

To say Collins has a "lack of passion" is not fair. He's doing funny things at times but that don't mean he don't take serious what he's doing or even he wouldn't like it, that's not true. Although there's some things left to complain about his solo-albums since ( or after, if you like it, like many do ) "But seriously" and his voice has lost some of its depth ( this may be due to a non-singer singing ) I think most of all what happened is Phil's gotten "overplayed" from the 80s to the start of the 90s and maybe now it's just not his time after we all got a little too much of it. That don't make his work with Genesis less great and it don't change a thing about his 2nd solo-album being a great piece of music ( if there only weren't You can't hurry love... I believe I've read the same statement about this album by Tony Banks ).

Stop putting that man down, please

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Posted: December 09 2006 at 09:47

There was an interview with Genesis not too long along, the three remaining members, and they were all asked what their favorite albums were. Mike Rutherford said "the first side of Genesis," Tony Banks said Duke and Phil Collins said The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

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Posted: December 09 2006 at 04:34

I'm happy to see some clarity on the Phil Collins issue.Having been around for the rise and fall of 70s prog and away from prog for 20 years I was stunned to see the animosity he generated on this list which seemed to me to be all bad emotion and few facts. There is a dark human "need" for a scapegoat and it seems that many who were frustrated by the appalling state of modern music in the 80s turned Phil into a whipping boy though the truth is his pop was a lot better than most . Nor is it easy to write a big hit . You can see the same human tendency in the middle east where every failing state blames Israel for their situation.

The reality is Phil Collins made a great contribution to prog but his musical interests are diverse and he had a desire to earn well and nowadays has pumped some of his fortune into worthwhile causes.

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Posted: December 09 2006 at 02:53

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He was almost in Yes? Huh. Well, Phil isn't as good as Bruford, but he's pretty damn good anyway. I wonder how it would have turned out, had they switched places...

...or even switching places with Barriemore Barlow? I don't know the context in which it happened, but I remember The Old Grey Whistle Test (extremely good British music TV show of yesteryear) showing a live film of Jethro Tull playing 'Cross Eyed Mary'... guess who was on drums?

There is a 1976 concert film of Genesis playing in Stafford which features a Bruford/Collins duet - fan as I am of Chester Thompson, Bruford brought out so much more from Collins & it's a shame he toured with them for such a limited time.

I seem to recall something later that Barrie's time (I think)...some kind of a benefit with Prince? Anyway, Phil the Boomer based the kit with Uncle Ian that night. Possibly. Unless that was Bruford, but I don't think it was.

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Posted: December 08 2006 at 23:17

"What's the point of bashing Collins and Collin's Genesis in every opportunity?"
You lost me when you started bashing Gabriel.
I do have respect for Phil, but I prefer Gabriel's first four albums over Genesis's stuff at the same time. Neither of them are prog of course but I believe there's more soul in Peter's stuff.
I like Phil on the early stuff. Very talented. I don't care for the later Genesis stuff but I can't really argue about it since I've only heard the stuff that was played on the radio. And no, I won't listen to any later Genesis albums. Maybe it's good, but I doubt it, and I'll take the chance of being wrong. Frankly I'm too busy listening to Hackett's music to bash Phil even though it is fun. I never really got into Steve's solo material until recently and I'm lovin' it!
I do have occasional nightmares about the Big 5 reunion tour though. The latest: On the Marquee: GENESIS with Peter Gabriell and Steve Hocket. (Not typos). And for an encore the band plays Against All Odds with Phil on vocals and Peter on drums.
I have warmed to Phil over the years though. My friend who introduced me to Genesis hated on Phil but eventually I discovered WaW and ATotT and really fell in love with them. Unfortunately I first listened to them while going through my second divorce so I have unpleaseant memories as I listen to those songs.
I kind of like the Shapes CD (the only one I've heard). I just think at the time there were so many Phil solo albums and with Mike and his Mechanic's it was just cheesy pop overload. I was surprised that there were so few later Genesis albums actually, with many years between some of them.
I suppose Banks is the McCartney of the band. He had issues with both Peter and Steve. Maybe I should start bashing him.

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Posted: December 08 2006 at 22:37

Excuse me my dearest friend, but... how the hell do you know that???!!!??

So you KNOW he's in pop only because of the money.... you say that, within himself, he DOESN'T like what he's doing?

I think he was wealthy enough even before leaving Genesis so I really doubt he HAD TO PLAY MUSIC HE REALLY HATED.

He likes pop music... OK!

My favorite genre is prog, just after classical.... but: i can hear when good music FOR EVERY genre is performed....

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Posted: December 08 2006 at 22:26

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I agree with El Morula, Phil Collins is an arse.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Well actually I could:

Phil Collins is an arse and he's bald.

Now those are some musical arguments....

If you're going to bash Collins, pick at least an interesting reason...

For example, say he has a ridiculous round face....

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Posted: December 08 2006 at 22:24

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What's the point of bashing Collins and Collin's Genesis in every opportunity?. Why I never find any polls about the lousy music EL&P wrote after Works (being WORKS a mediocre work anyway), or about the insipid and unoriginal pop by Yes after Going for the one?, or about Rush after Permanent waves. Or Tull after Heavy horses, Gentle giant after 1974, Banco after 1975, Premiata after the third album, etc etc etc. ?????...Is bashing Collins and Genesis in the 80's a sport?.

For those who have not noticed it. Collins has played way more Progressive rock and other complex genres than Peter Gabriel has in his carrer. First of all, are you aware who were actually playing the music in those outstanding instrumentals of Hogweed, Musical box, In the cage, Supper's ready, The knife (live) etc etc etc etc etc ???. It certainly wasn't Gabriel. While Collins was breaking his back delivering some of the best drumming in prog in every concert, Gabriel was making funny faces, dancing around, drinking water, staying still, or, in the best case, playing those little tambourines that you never get to listen. Gabriel might have written the lyrics to most of the songs, including The lamb's, where he admits never placing a foot in the rehearsals room where the music was actually made, where Collins was a fundamental element. Collins as some well state, participated in several prog and fusion projects, playing great drums in every single second of every track. Where was Gabriel at the time?, writing his first and second solo albums with songs like "Moribund The Burgermeister", "Waiting For The Big One"....they suck big time !!!, and they could hardly be called prog !!!. He even wrote a pure pop song with "Solsbury hill". "Here comes the flood" is lovely, but not because of the complexity or its progressiveness, because it's neither !!!. But because of the feeling to it, but that's it. The first Collins album is way better than any first 4 album by Gabriel. The fact that Gabriel's had a little less pop don't make them any better. "The rythm of the heat" and "Lay your hands on me", "here comes the flood" nad "San jacinto" are the first interesting songs by Gabriel as a solo composer, and no one could deny they are very inconsistent and unpolished (at least the first 2 mentioned). The main strenght in Gabriel is the feeling and he couldn't deliver it in a sharp and consistent manner until his 4th or 5th album.

( Hey, right now my MP3 selected Tonight Tonight tonight randomly. From the so called "shame of prog", "Genesis purest sellout"...Etc.Has anybody payed attention to the middle section?, among other details?..These instrumental is way more interesting and complex than Close to the edge's !!!, the "best song in prog". Would anybody dare saying otherwise?. Honestly?.

The only defect I find in Genesis and Collins in the 80's is that their albums are from...the 80's !!!, stupid comment right?...Well, I find people bashing Genesis and Collins because in the back of their minds have the album covers and the 80's word that doesn't let them actually listen to the music. )

He is still making "no straight pop"?...So what?, he started making interesting music some 14 or 15 years after Collins had played 38,978,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.00 notes of the best prog !!!. Gabriel was and may still be hungry to actually write something similar to prog, and he had better since he spent hundreds of concerts watching 4 guys playing music he could hardly say he participated in. People love bashing Collins for making pop. These people should also be more inteligent to notice he played prog for around 300 live shows (just to tell a number), for some 10 albums and for a good number of very good songs in plain 80's.

I love Gabriel's music, and as a Genesis fan I feel proud to say he was part of my beloved band, but please !!!, stop making a superheroe out of his memory. He never played a prog note in the 70's, managed to create some complex songs until US and Passion (where he got help from a wide number of musicians), he is still making something that could not be called completly pop, but that's it !!!. He's not the proggiest man by excelence. Collins I repeat, has played and composed way much more prog than Gabriel himself. And even as a Solo artist, I'd rather listen to "I don't care anymore", "I can hear through these walls", "like china", "Do you know, do you care", "Long Long Way To Go", "The west side", "In the air tonight" than most of Gabriels' first clumsy attempts as main composer. Lots of people will say they hate "But seriously". I for one, love it. You who argue Collins has no inspiration, just pay attention to "Saturday Night And Sunday Morning" and "Hang In Long Enough", full of energy and great pop. Yes !!, POP !!. Who cares about the genre if the music is well done?, Have you heard anything by Le Orme?, it's supposed to be great prog, no matter how much I've been listening to it carefully in the last few weeks, I find it cheesier everyday !!!. I push play on "Lessons of love" by Level 42 (Pure 80's pop) and keep loving it since it's release. I have news for you guys !!, Prog is not a warranty of quality !!.

"he's not prog, he's prog. I hate his pop"...give me a break !!!. Some of the most inspiring songs in history have nothing to do with prog. Has anybody listened to "Scarborough fair" by Simon and Garfunkel ?. "I heard it through the grape vine" by Marvin Gaye?.

If someone is wondering wether I really like Prog. Be sure I do, and I like even the least accesible. When it's good, I love it, when it's cheesy I hate it more than a Justin timberlake song.

So, yes...This must be surprising to most people. In a carrer balance, Collins has been way proggier than Gabriel himself. The so called "purist of prog"..HAHAHA !!!.

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Posted: December 08 2006 at 20:11

Frasse wrote:

Chus wrote:

he said in the 90's that he was glad that the punk thing happened because he wasn't really into all that progressive vibe

Still Genesis played Prog five more years (at least live) after 1976 when Punk arrived. Not only did they continue, they only got bigger and bigger. The first Punk wave came to a halt before Genesis stopped playing prog.

remember that prog bands began to decline slowly.. The remaining trio felt compelled to write more radio-friendly songs since 1978, and "progressively" they'd been degenerating into an 80's pop band. since 1981 to be more precise began pop-era genesis ahead

Jesus Gabriel

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