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Sasquamo
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Topic: Most skilled genre of music? Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:03 |
Of these genres, which do you think generally has or requires the most skill to play well? By classical I mean the baroque period, classical period, romantic period--all that stuff. I picked these ones because I think they are broadly the most "skilled" types of music.
As for me, it really comes down to jazz and classical. It's sort of hard to compare them, seeing as jazz is focused on improvisation, but I think I'll go with classical. Both genres have amazing virtuosos, but I think the standard skill-wise is a little higher in classical. You have to be amazingly good to be notable in classical music, but you don't have to be incredibly skilled to be a good jazz musician (you still have to be pretty good of course). It's a whole other set of skills that aren't related to technical ability. Just look at Miles Davis. He really was no virtuoso on trumpet. But he rocked at jazz. Anyway, although I voted for classical, it's my least favorite genre of the choices.
Oh yeah, and jazz fusion and jazz-rock count as jazz, not prog, in this poll.
Edited by Sasquamo - December 18 2006 at 23:07
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:09 |
Interesting question. My heart picks jazz, my brain classical. Frankly though, when I look at the huge range of skill, knowledge and facility of the important prog players, Fripp, Tony Banks, Dave Stewart, Bruford, Emerson, etc.... I choose progressive rock though the heavens may fall.
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:16 |
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:27 |
Atavachron wrote:
Interesting question. My heart picks jazz, my brain classical. Frankly though, when I look at the huge range of skill, knowledge and facility of the important prog players, Fripp, Tony Banks, Dave Stewart, Bruford, Emerson, etc.... I choose progressive rock though the heavens may fall.
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Your heart picked jazz, your brain picked classical, what part of your bodily is ultimately more important that you decided to go with its choice of prog?
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:29 |
Australian wrote:
Impossible to determine. |
True, you can't tell for sure, but you still have an opinion, right? You don't need proof to form an opinion.
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:42 |
In that case I'll go with classical.
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The T
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:43 |
In the instrument/performing department, probably classical.... jazz doesn't reach the level of a Rachmaninov Third Piano Concerto.... there are professionals that can't play it! But jazz would be second.
Also, remember in classical we are dealing with ACADEMIC music, music without the improvisational factor, so, if that maybe makes it less skillful at first glance, it actually makes it MORE DIFFICULT, FOR NO ERRORS OR MISTAKES can be made when performing. Also, the performer has to try to interpret the spirit the composer had when composing the music and adapt it and make it his own, so it also takes a pure artistic skill: to interpret someone else's composition and make it your own. Also, please, orchestra directors are just monsters of the human brain capacity and many of the greatest were masters not in one but IN TWO OR THREE instruments...
And about the people that write the music: the fact that is less improvisational, more ACADEMIC, with a LOT, LOT more of harmonic and rhythmic and every other kind of invention and development and .... everything. It's no wonder some masterworks took more than 5 years to get completed.
Please, this is a no competition, a no-brain in my eyes.
If we take classical out of the question, jazz wins.
And then, above other genres, finally: PROG!!!
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 00:01 |
The T wrote:
In the instrument/performing department, probably classical.... jazz doesn't reach the level of a Rachmaninov Third Piano Concerto.... there are professionals that can't play it! But jazz would be second.
Also, remember in classical we are dealing with ACADEMIC music, music without the improvisational factor, so, if that maybe makes it less skillful at first glance, it actually makes it MORE DIFFICULT, FOR NO ERRORS OR MISTAKES can be made when performing. Also, the performer has to try to interpret the spirit the composer had when composing the music and adapt it and make it his own, so it also takes a pure artistic skill: to interpret someone else's composition and make it your own. Also, please, orchestra directors are just monsters of the human brain capacity and many of the greatest were masters not in one but IN TWO OR THREE instruments...
And about the people that write the music: the fact that is less improvisational, more ACADEMIC, with a LOT, LOT more of harmonic and rhythmic and every other kind of invention and development and .... everything. It's no wonder some masterworks took more than 5 years to get completed.
Please, this is a no competition, a no-brain in my eyes.
If we take classical out of the question, jazz wins.
And then, above other genres, finally: PROG!!!
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I agree with most of what you said, but you seem to dismiss jazz a little too quickly. Improvising actually takes a lot of skill, mental and technical. It's not just starting to play and making it up as you go, you have to stick with chord changes that are often very very tricky and also very rapidly changing. But you're right, the level of dedication serious classical musicians have is amazing. And those conductors who work themselves into a sweat when they're conducting! A few hundred years ago one even rammed a lead rod used for tapping the beat out into his own foot and died a couple days later. I wonder if the orchestra members actually pay attention to them. I wouldn't, I might start to laugh and lose my concentration.
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ViolinCyndee
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 02:55 |
Definitely classical..
Though, there has been improvisation in classical for hundreds of years. It is only relatively recently that the masters' cadenzas (improvised section of concerti) have been transcribed.
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The Whistler
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 02:58 |
I dunno man.. I play some barque stuff, and I wouldn't call myself skilled.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 12:59 |
Well, there's really no competition here.... but I don't dismiss a good Jazz improv or even a good prog improv....
But I dismiss a good pop improv.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 13:03 |
The T wrote:
But I dismiss a good pop improv. | Is there such a thing? This is a hard one. I want to say classical, but in terms of my instrument, bass guitar, I want to pick jazz. But since I watched a show on music and how classical music is amazing I pick that.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 13:05 |
Prog!
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Philéas
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 13:24 |
Classical.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 15:13 |
Hardcore punk.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 21:02 |
The good news is that these 3 categories stand above all other styles of music, although you'd get an argument from some of those "pickers" in Nashville....
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 21:10 |
Classical - a lot to remember, no errors or you'll be hanged. Jazz Prog
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Posted: December 21 2006 at 00:36 |
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: December 21 2006 at 05:41 |
Classical, no doubt.
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 01:02 |
classical is academic music par excellence... then again, many classical "concertistas" find it difficult to play jazz, which has emphasis in improvisation... since I can't choose between those two, I choose Nu-metal
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