Carl Palmer as a drummer?

^^^ hmm... do you actually hava a counter argument to that, or are you just brushing small talk?

I mean, if you're so allmighy all knowingly, maybe you care to enlighten us on some of the mistakes Ivan has made? It says you have 225 posts. Are they all like that - all insults and no arguments, or did you make them all in the fun section? Really now, do you actually have any SUBSTANCE to put in your post? Other than logical fallacies I see nothing worthy, but since you seem to know your drumming you clearly shoulb be able to provide with something worthwile.

So please enlighten us, non-drummers, on what the joke was all about, I would honestly be very interested in some valid points, no matter whom they come against, Ivan, or any other Moderator/Collaborator/Admin/Founder, as long as they have some content and not just childish attacks.


Edited by Asphalt - December 27 2006 at 03:05

You really enjoy showing off, don't you?  And we haven't even found out who you are or what you do, except for the fact that music isn't just your "HOBBY" [ohhhhh.... spooky].

Also, you still have failed to provide with a valid line of argumentation [if we appall you so much, how come you're still on this site? Please, grace us with a response, a truly valid one. After all, this is what forums are supposed to do: enhance communication between those who know better and those who wish to know.] Let me remind you, although I'm sure you knew, rhetorical questions do not provide with reasoning on themselves.

And last but not least, yes this IS a prog music site for fans, not musicians alone [it's progarchives, not progarchivesmadebymusicgodsfortheunknowingunworthymusicfans], so it's only natural that some opinions may be partially unsubstantiated, but showing this kind of attitude helps no one.

However, I see that this discussion has already taken too long and provided nothing, so unless my humble request for reasoning and substance will be graced, I will refrain from any more replies on this issue.

Asphalt wrote: And we haven't even found out who you are or what you do, except for the fact that music isn't just your "HOBBY" [ohhhhh.... spooky].

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: A drummer develops his style according ro the environment in which he works, Carl palmer is a classical Power Trio drummer: Fast, strong and loud (Power trios need loud drummer). Great bass drum work Not as good with the snares His use of the cymbals is far from perfect Not very good keeping times Spectacular and a great sense of showmanship For example the Jazz drummers are normally much better with the cymbals and snares but weaker with the bass drum, look at Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel had to add extra bass drum in their first albums and live acts (Look at any Gabriel era photo and you'll see a bass drum before Peter Gabriel). Still Palmer is a top drummer compared with anybody.   Iván

Slipperfink, I have saved your post to my PC, I think its excellent on many of your points regarding Palmer and Collins. 

"Modesty is not only an ornament, but also a guard to virtue. "

Edited by Bob Greece - December 27 2006 at 06:46

SlipperFink wrote: I guess the only real question is.... Is ANYBODY gonna school you pot-smoking rocket scientists here? OR... Can't we just agree that Ivan said some IMMENSELY SILLY THINGS and let him go with a simple slap on the hand? Guess not. Guess were gonna hafta have my post deleted to 'protect the ignorant'. Marvelous. Good thing I wasted the better part of an hour banging it out. SM.

Was it that hard to actually support your opinions with arguments? Or are you such a god that you shouldn't even open your mouth and we should believe you on the spot? I thank you for your on-topic response about drumming on Carl Palmer and Phil Collins. It was rather insightful. I am not in any way thankful for the overall egocentrism, paranoia and megalomaniac attitude [not really wetting myself for any particular band, and my stomach is doing rather well, thank you very much].

Yes, I am impressed at the musical record and background you mentioned. No, that does not make you superior on all levels, and your posts clearly showed that. And since you like quotes so much, I kindly direct you to one from a late 90's movie [American Beauty]: "What a sad old man you are!"

Enough with the off-topics. I rest my case here.

Palmer Not very good keeping times????

It's just nonesense!.

akiko wrote: Also Alex Van Halen had three or four bass drums at one time.  And they are both great drummers too.

Alex van Halen is not a great drummer. He has about three times as many drums as he uses... And with the ones he actually use, he doesn't do anything out of the ordinary.

SlipperFink wrote: Dude. Peter had a kick drum onstage because Phil didn't have a good left foot?

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 27 2006 at 18:47