Carl Palmer as a drummer?

 

Never said Palmer was bad in any aspect, but as any musician he has strongest points, the web is full of references to Palmer problems with timing, I didn't invented that, his bass drum work always impressed me, it's amazing as his speed and strenght.

 

But I learned to play drums trying to follow the great drummers not for hours, but for years and despite I don't have a shadow of their talent, I know how to recognize where they are stronger and where not.

 

His snare and cymbals IMO are not in the level of his bass drum, but if you read my last sentence I said he's IMO one of the top drummers compared with anybody, in his level being not so good in one aspect doesn't mean he's not superior to the vast majority of drummers, only that it's not his strongest feature, he's not God, he's not perfect in everything he does.

 

About Phil Collins, please check Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, you will find that Peter Gabriel is credited  with bass drum, not only on stage (What is obvious) but also in studio, so some boost was required in that aspect IN THE EARLY GENESIS ALBUMS..

 

Please check if this happens with any other band.

 

I don't talk about violin techniques because I don't know a damn thing about violin, but about drums I know the theory and played them so I believe my perspective is more clear.

 

But the most important, when I say something I use arguments, and if you notice I use my real name, I don't hide behind a nick to feel free to make mockery of other members, if somebody disagrees with me, I accept it, but give arguments not just insults, change of words and bad jokes that only prove the ignorance of the person acting like that.

 

Iván

 

Saw something recently that really riled me - allegedly, a certain individual by the name of Phil Collins was interviewed/heard to make some comments on matters musical and apparently was of the opinion that you had what amounted to a technical weakness (your timing wasn't always perfect). http://dynaweb.dynrec.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/guestbook.pl

 

We may not like Phil Collins as a composer but as a drummer he knows what he's talking about, if he dares to say this is because he knows what he's talking about.

 

BTW II: Thanks for your comments Richardh, I know you're a ELP fan and despite we disagree in two out of the 5 points I mentioned is good to know we agree in most of them.

 

Maybe the trouble I find with Palmer's snares is linked to the timming but still I believe his bass drum is deep and strong like in Fanfare, Rondo, Karn Evil 9 (All impressions), The Enemy God, etc.

 

I seen him several times and this fascet keeps impressing me more each time I listen him.

 

He gives depth to the sound.

 

Iván

Right.

 

Sarcasm aside, you didn't answer my question, which only further proves you are liar. You see, people make sh*t up on the internet so they feel more important and/or so people treat them like they're important. Why? Because they can and there's no way to prove it. So everything someone says must be suspect, especially if they come in here acting like a total asshole and telling us wild tales of owning recording studios and engineering a Fripp album.

 

You could at least tell us who the best young prog band in the world is.

 

PS Manhattan was a good choice since there's an innumberable number of studios there. Hurrah for unverifiable claims!

 

There's a difference between not having false modesty and being a total asshole.

 

SuperFlink  you are a funny guy.

 

Hey Superflink how come you never reviewed a single record on this site yet seem mostly lurk in the forums. I bet you get off when others praise your work. If you were such a self confident guy as you pretend to be then you would not hide behind fiction and answer the questions and criticism quarely.

 

Ivan, I belive earlier you stated that Jazz drummers sometimes are weaker with basswork.  I have to disagree on that front abit, as there's plenty of Jazz-Based drummers out there such as Lenny White and Billy Cobham (who was one of the drummers at the forefront of doube-bass drumming.) who have exclent bass techniqe. 

 

OK SlippingFig you still did not tell me why you never reviewed an album. It would have been great to findout what kind of music rings your bell

For some reason I imagine you as a bald guy who shouts at everyone he talks to.

PS. I have never made a single untruthful claim about myself or my work on this site since I came here. Not a one. Which is what makes all this REALLY hilarious.

Of course you haven't. Now tell us the name of the astoundingly good album that you mixed that we pathetic internot losers will gush over.